Free Republic Poll on Evolution

Free Republic ^ | 22 September 2006 | Vanity

[PatrickHenry]

Free Republic is currently running a poll on this subject:

Do you think creationism or intelligent design should be taught in science classes in secondary public schools as a competing scientific theory to evolution?

You can find the poll at the bottom of your "self search" page, also titled "My Comments," where you go to look for posts you've received.

I don't know what effect -- if any -- the poll will have on the future of this website's science threads. But it's certainly worth while to know the general attitude of the people who frequent this website.

Science isn't a democracy, and the value of scientific theories isn't something that's voted upon. The outcome of this poll won't have any scientific importance. But the poll is important because this is a political website. How we decide to educate our children is a very important issue. It's also important whether the political parties decide to take a position on this. (I don't think they should, but it may be happening anyway.)

If you have an opinion on this subject, go ahead and vote.

[andysandmikesmom]

LOL...I am glad to see that you are using meds...hope they will help you with whatever is ailing you,and gets you back to good health...

[editor-surveyor]

You and your twisted strawmen are in denial. Real cures are taking over from AMA witch craft.

[andysandmikesmom]

Right...modern medicine is really witch craft...Is that what you are saying?

[balrog666]

Maybe he's really an ultra-evolutionist that believes people should not be saved by modern medicine. You know, to weed out those "unfit" genes.

[Doctor Stochastic]

I notice that no creationists ever mentions these personal attacks. It becomes more obvious that all the creationists simply are in agreement with them.

[andysandmikesmom]

Frankly I cannot figure it out...heck, we all know that most on FR, take advantage of modern meds, and modern medical technology, whether they are creationists, IDers, evolutionists, just dont care or somewhere in between...

I get pinged to a prayer thread in my private Freepmail...daily, I see request upon request of those who are either ill and using meds, or are asking prayers for them while they go into surgery...

Are all these Freepers practicing some sort of witchcraft?...because after all, they are willingly allowing themselves to be used by the evil doctors, thereby consenting to witchcraft...

I find that whole view to be extremely insulting to any and all Freepers, who make quite informed decisions regarding their medical care...

Many Freepers have had stories on FR, about their experiences in caring for their extremely disabled or ill children, and have relied on the modern meds and modern medical technology to provide the means by which their lovely children can have the best life possible...is that witchcraft?

I find this word 'witchcraft', to be really degrading and insulting, when applied to modern meds, modern medical technology and degrading and insulting to both doctors who provide the care and to their families which receive that care...

[Junior]

That'd be Mengele, dumbass.

[Doctor Stochastic]

I find this word 'witchcraft', to be really degrading and insulting, when applied to modern meds, modern medical technology and degrading and insulting to both doctors who provide the care and to their families which receive that care...

And some observers find that applying the term "witchcraft" to modern medicine is standard conservative procedure. (Maybe it is. The creationists seem to endorse such positions through their loudly ringing silence.)

[FreedomProtector]

Perhaps when an evolutionist says something that is invalid, that will invalidate everything else they say--everything else they say must be by definition false. Perhaps evolutionists are perfect in every way and never say anything that is invalid or half true.

Perhaps there is no one who ever posts anything on FreeRepublic who ever validates editor-surveyor's claim of "relentless attacks on a particular individual"

Perhaps there are never any folks on FreeRepublic (friends, neighbors, and relatives or course, never any one we may happen to know), who are having a repeated love affairs with distractions and irrelevant rabbit trails because they really don't want to rationally answer the question: Is is probable that world in which we live came to be purely by chance and natural process?

Perhaps there are never any folks on FreeRepublic (friends, neighbors, and relatives or course, never any one we may happen to know) who repeatedly demonstrate that are really not interested in writing about anything related to the topic of the thread.

Perhaps there are never ever any folks on FreeRepublic (friends, neighbors, and relatives or course, never any one we may happen to know), who like to pompously masquerade repeatedly stating like a broken record that is evolution is scientifically and intellectually superior precisely because of its supposed non-religious character, when the opposite is true.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-backroom/1706571/posts?page=1153#1153

[andysandmikesmom]

I also am astounded by this silence...when no one objects to some claim, I then take it to mean, that the claim is endorsed by those remaining silent...perhaps some would object to my way, of regarding this silence, but heck, I can take it whatever way I want...

[Doctor Stochastic]

The tam-tam speaks; the ensuing silence agrees.

[andysandmikesmom]

Your generalizations and little 'Perhaps' sayings mean nothing whatsoever...

What we are discussing is whether or not modern medicines, and modern medical technologies are really 'witchcraft', as has been stated, and are they prohibited by the Bible?...

This is not an attack on one person, its a questioning of what part modern medicine plays in peoples lives, and is it witchcraft, or is it not witchcraft?...

[Thatcherite]

People who have had a root canal are likely to agree with this assessment!

Mmmm, root canal work is horrible, but not having it would be far worse...

[FreedomProtector]

"what part modern medicine plays in peoples lives, and is it witchcraft, or is it not witchcraft?..."

Most modern medicines are obviously not evil and are in fact "subduing and taking dominion over the world" which is directly commanded in the Bible. (in the supposedly evil book of Genesis). Luke, an eyewitness of Jesus Christ, was in fact a practitioner of the modern medicine of his day and includes details a doctor would point out in the Gospel of Luke. Many Christian scientists and doctors have made notable contributions to the advancement of modern medicine.


There are some modern medicines/practices which are obviously evil i.e. abortion for example. Most abortions are most likely not motivated by anything related to witchcraft and are likely motivated by self-centeredness or motivated by ideologies and religions which believe abortion is good and should be advocated. Just because most abortions are not motivated by witchcraft doesn't mean that some abortions performed may be motivated by witchcraft or that witchcraft never participates in infanticide.


Evolution is a one such religion which has a difficult time finding a ethical basis for calling for abortion evil. In fact, the humanist manifesto II, which is built on the doctrine of evolution, openly advocates it. The philosophical basis of "man is nothing more the an intellectual animal" and "man is so intelligent that he should direct his future evolution" indeed provide the philosophical basis for advocating for abortion in humanist manifesto II.

Thanks for the ping, andysandmikesmom!

[jerri]

And some observers find that applying the term "witchcraft" to modern medicine is standard conservative procedure. (Maybe it is. The creationists seem to endorse such positions through their loudly ringing silence.)

You assume too much! Medicine isn't even the thread topic here.

[andysandmikesmom]

Ah, but we have been told by ES, that practicing modern medicine is 'witchcraft'...so you would completely disagree with ES, so why not say so?...You are saying that the Bible commands us to use modern medicine, ES says the exact opposite...you seem to use Luke, as a modern practioner of his day, yet, I seem to remember ES saying that Luke, tho a physician, did not practice modern medicine of his day..perhaps ES can clarify this...

And many fine doctors, whether Christian, agnostics, atheists, Buddhists, whatever, had made fine contributions to the advancement of modern medicine...no one faith, or lack of faith, can claim sole credit for advancing modern medicine...

So we have you and ES, both relying on the Bible, and you have views which are completely incompatible with each other...so the question becomes, which of you is correctly 'Interpreting', the Bible...neither one of you speaks for God, therefore you are both 'interpreting' what the Bible actually means...Your witnessing is no more effective nor valid than that of the witnessing of ES...you both read the Bible, as do many others on FR, and you both come to totally different conclusions..why am I not surprised at this?

Yeah, and keep refering to evolution as a religion, if that keeps you happy...its hilarious, but if it suits your views, have at it...

So, you are welcome...at least, in a round about way, you agree, that you totally disagree with ES and his views about modern medicine...

Thanks for at least admitting that...

[andysandmikesmom]

I think where the topic of medicine falls into this conversation is here...when someone says, that based on their reading and understanding of the Bible, that evolution cannot be so, then one is free to examine that other persons views in other areas, and how they are also based on the reading of the Bible...

In other words, someone says, their view is that evolution is a incorrect, based on their knowledge of the Bible...then that person goes on to say, that modern medicine is 'witchcraft' and that is also based on their knowledge of the Bible...it would seem to me, that logically, one would want to examine this a little bit further, and make a personal critique in ones own mind, about the others persons understanding of the Bible...but then, thats just me...

[FreedomProtector]

"Yeah, and keep refering to evolution as a religion, if that keeps you happy...its hilarious, but if it suits your views, have at it... "

By simply calling a statement 'hilarious' must be a valid and conclusive proof--clearly demonstrating that the statement it not true.


Evolution, as defined by neo-Darwinian architect Julian Huxley, is indeed religious posted here:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-backroom/1706571/posts?page=1153#1153

Thanks for the ping, andysandmikesmom!

[andysandmikesmom]

Right...and I stand by my statement...

And you are welcome...

[Virginia-American]

... I find this word 'witchcraft', to be really degrading and insulting ...

If we ever move to a Biblically- or Koranically-based system of laws (Christian Reconstructionism, Dominionism, theonomy, Shari'a, whatever), it would be an accusation of a capital crime. Where, if history is any guide, the accuser would get part of the guilty party's goods.