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Free Republic Poll on Evolution
Free Republic ^ | 22 September 2006 | Vanity

Posted on 09/22/2006 2:09:33 PM PDT by PatrickHenry

Free Republic is currently running a poll on this subject:

Do you think creationism or intelligent design should be taught in science classes in secondary public schools as a competing scientific theory to evolution?
You can find the poll at the bottom of your "self search" page, also titled "My Comments," where you go to look for posts you've received.

I don't know what effect -- if any -- the poll will have on the future of this website's science threads. But it's certainly worth while to know the general attitude of the people who frequent this website.

Science isn't a democracy, and the value of scientific theories isn't something that's voted upon. The outcome of this poll won't have any scientific importance. But the poll is important because this is a political website. How we decide to educate our children is a very important issue. It's also important whether the political parties decide to take a position on this. (I don't think they should, but it may be happening anyway.)

If you have an opinion on this subject, go ahead and vote.


TOPICS: Heated Discussion
KEYWORDS: crevolist; evolution; id
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To: editor-surveyor

Define cure.


1,301 posted on 09/27/2006 7:48:16 PM PDT by js1138 (The absolute seriousness of someone who is terminally deluded.)
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To: VadeRetro

I just KNEW this was going to happen sooner or later. I'm going to have to come up with more colors to denote these new categories! :-)


1,302 posted on 09/27/2006 7:48:37 PM PDT by jennyp (There's ALWAYS time for jibber jabber!)
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To: VadeRetro

Sure.


1,303 posted on 09/27/2006 7:53:07 PM PDT by phoenix0468 (http://www.mylocalforum.com -- Go Speak Your Mind.)
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To: js1138

When the disease is gone, you are cured. Aliopathy seeks only to mask the symptoms, which leaves the disease active to continue the damage while some maskable symptom is fecklessly toyed with (for considerable financial gain, obviously)


1,304 posted on 09/27/2006 7:54:27 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Atheist and Fool are synonyms; Evolution is where fools hide from the sunrise)
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To: VadeRetro
I think your "fake" definition is closer to the fantasies of the anti-evo I have in mind than mine.

But, I think my "fraud" definition more closely matches the delusions of this particular anti-evo. The starting point for this anti-evo's anti-science assertions is that all of those skulls are in some way like Piltdown Man.
1,305 posted on 09/27/2006 7:59:15 PM PDT by ml1954 (ID = Case closed....no further inquiry allowed...now move along.)
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To: ml1954
The starting point for this anti-evo's anti-science assertions is that all of those skulls are in some way like Piltdown Man.

Yep. You can make anything out of pieces of anything else, you know, and no one can tell.

1,306 posted on 09/27/2006 8:03:19 PM PDT by VadeRetro (Liberalism is a cancer on society. Creationism is a cancer on conservatism.)
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To: editor-surveyor

So there is no medical treatment for Hansen's disease, in your opinion?


1,307 posted on 09/27/2006 8:08:58 PM PDT by js1138 (The absolute seriousness of someone who is terminally deluded.)
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To: VadeRetro

Yep. You can make anything out of pieces of anything else, you know, and no one can tell.

It's amazing how someone can think that everyone has been fooled up until now. It's amazing this anti-evo thinks that just by looking at the photographs posted on FR, he can see what everyone else has missed over all these years -- even all of the scientists that have physically examined the skulls and their provenance.

1,308 posted on 09/27/2006 8:18:55 PM PDT by ml1954 (ID = Case closed....no further inquiry allowed...now move along.)
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To: jennyp
If I HAD to bet it, I'd bet that A - E were apes rather than monkeys, but I'd not want to have to bet it.

The similarity of hominids to humans such as it is is not coincidental but has nothing to do with evolution. DNA studies show the neanderthal much too far removed to be an ancestor and all other hominids are morphologically further from us than the neanderthal.

Coyoteman notes that researchers have come up with modern human skulls with slight brow ridges which he assumes implies evolution of modern man, but there isn't time.

You've got the Haldane dilemma on one side which says that would take longer than the 70 million years which supposedly separates us from dinosaurs, and on the other hand you have Gunnar Heinsohn's findings which indicate that previous interpretations of stratigraphy are massively in error and that there is no real way to defend a dieout time for neanderthals of more than about 4000 years ago.

Modern man was either genetically re-engineered from the neanderthal or some other hominid, brought here from elsewhere, or created separately. Those are your three choices.

1,309 posted on 09/27/2006 8:19:15 PM PDT by tomzz
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To: ml1954
It's amazing how someone can think that everyone has been fooled up until now. It's amazing this anti-evo thinks that just by looking at the photographs posted on FR, ...

Oh, yeah. All those billions of people who think modern medicine saved them and their children from polio, measles, mumps, typhus, typhoid fever, scarlet fever, diphtheria, and smallpox are just FOOLS!

Or so say some incredibly stupid and ignorant trolls on FreeRepublic.

1,310 posted on 09/27/2006 8:26:11 PM PDT by balrog666 (Ignorance is never better than knowledge. - Enrico Fermi)
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To: tomzz

I have another choice.

You are just plain nuts?

Yeah, I think I'll go for that one.


1,311 posted on 09/27/2006 8:35:32 PM PDT by Jaguarbhzrd
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To: balrog666

Oh, yeah. All those billions of people who think modern medicine saved them and their children from polio, measles, mumps, typhus, typhoid fever, scarlet fever, diphtheria, and smallpox are just FOOLS!

Or so say some incredibly stupid and ignorant trolls on FreeRepublic.

You're talking about a major league anti-science anti-evo troll exhibiting full blown delusional reality denial. I'm just scouting an 'A' level anti-evo anti-science troll who doesn't show much promise to be able to even move up to 'AA'.

1,312 posted on 09/27/2006 8:35:50 PM PDT by ml1954 (ID = Case closed....no further inquiry allowed...now move along.)
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To: tomzz
Modern man was either genetically re-engineered from the neanderthal or some other hominid, brought here from elsewhere, or created separately. Those are your three choices.


1,313 posted on 09/27/2006 8:36:45 PM PDT by Liberal Classic (No better friend, no worse enemy. Semper Fi.)
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To: Jaguarbhzrd

The good news is that, despite the most massive freep which PatrickHenry and his little clique can muster, the poll has been running two to one against them the whole time. What do you think about that?


1,314 posted on 09/27/2006 8:37:35 PM PDT by tomzz
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To: tomzz
The good news is that, despite the most massive freep which PatrickHenry and his little clique can muster, the poll has been running two to one against them the whole time. What do you think about that?

I think that nuts like you may chase away 30% of potential Republican voters.

1,315 posted on 09/27/2006 8:39:20 PM PDT by Liberal Classic (No better friend, no worse enemy. Semper Fi.)
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To: tomzz
Modern man was either genetically re-engineered from the neanderthal or some other hominid, brought here from elsewhere, or created separately. Those are your three choices.

Sorry, there is a fourth choice, one which the vast majority of paleontologists agree with. Modern humans descended from archaic humans, who in turn descended from earlier Homo species and Australopithecus species.

You seem to feel that because we are not descended from Neanderthal that there is no other close relative from whom we are descended. Perhaps you should examine the scientific evidence a little closer.

1,316 posted on 09/27/2006 8:43:15 PM PDT by Coyoteman (I love the sound of beta decay in the morning!)
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To: Liberal Classic
One overall impression you get reading midrashim, is that Adam and Eve were real, historical people with complicated histories, but you're left on your own as to how to interpret the statement that they were the first people.

Somebody into that sort of guessing might at least entertain the possibility that first in that case meant "First such as us", that is, first modern humans as opposed to neanderthals.

1,317 posted on 09/27/2006 8:43:17 PM PDT by tomzz
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To: tomzz

It tells me that I should be afraid for the Republican party, and for conservatives in general.


1,318 posted on 09/27/2006 8:44:51 PM PDT by Jaguarbhzrd
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To: Coyoteman

What? You didn't like my choice?


1,319 posted on 09/27/2006 8:45:43 PM PDT by Jaguarbhzrd
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To: Liberal Classic

Judging from the poll, it's more likely that YOU will scare 60% of them away, and I'll only scare 30% away. The idea of a brain-dead ideological doctrine like evolution being declared a fact and taught as a fact in public schools at public expense and laws prohibiting anybody from ever questioning it in a classroom is positively hateful to the American public at large.


1,320 posted on 09/27/2006 8:45:57 PM PDT by tomzz
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