The Civil War (southern rebellion & invasion) has been over for some 141 years. The insurrectionist rabble rouser's lost.
Posted on 07/06/2006 7:01:52 AM PDT by SquirrelKing
It appears that the Northern invasion of the South is complete -- at least it is on a patch of land known as Delta Plantation in Jasper County.
There, a diehard rebel named Henry E. Ingram Jr. made his last stand against the onslaught of Yankees, only to be thwarted by a man from Long Island, N.Y., and now -- gasp -- a French Canadian.
Ingram promised to keep Yankees out of Delta Plantation in Jasper County when he bought 1,700 acres there in 1998. His resolve to keep them out still is strong, but the covenants he put on the land don't seem to have any teeth.
Those covenants did, however, scare Canadian-raised Bluffton resident Louise Legare a bit as she was close to signing a contract to buy a three-bedroom, two-bathroom house on the land from Bluffton Home Builders.
The list of rules she got from the builders was missing the first pages, so she went to the Jasper County Courthouse to get the missing ones. There, she found the covenants, or rules, that Ingram demanded of buyers:
1. They could not be Yankees.
2. They could not have the last name Sherman (an obvious reference to Gen. William Tecumseh Sherman).
3. And the land could not be sold or leased to those whose last names could be rearranged to spell Sherman.
Clearly, Ingram doesn't like Northern folk.
Now, however, Legare and Bluffton Home Builders are working with Ingram's son, Ashley Ingram, to remove the covenants. The former Delta Plantation is on both sides of U.S. 17, just north of the Georgia state line.
"When (Legare) brought it to us, we all kind of had a good laugh," said Jim Hobbs, a partner in the home-building firm.
In fact, Legare is buying the land and home from Bill Cook, another partner in the company, who happens to be a native of Long Island, N.Y. No one at Bluffton Home Builders had seen the covenants before Legare found the missing pages, and no one has ever tried to enforce them, Hobbs said.
If Henry Ingram had his way, he still would keep Yankees off of the 1,700 acres he once owned. His holdings on the plantation have dwindled to 10 acres.
Ingram, now a resident of Corpus Christi, Texas, said his son and attorney, who are both local, should be looking out for his anti-northerner wishes now.
"Yankees destroy everything they have up North, then they come down here," Ingram said. "When they destroy everything (in the South), where are they going to move next? Another country?"
Legare, who grew up north of Montreal, figures her far-northern upbringing must be especially abhorrent to Ingram.
"I must be more of a Yankee," she said. "I'm the person he really doesn't want to live there."
Amazingly, Legare is a much better choice to own Southern land than a New Yorker, according to Ingram.
"French people are much better and more desirable than a Yankee," said Ingram, who once owned video-poker casinos in Jasper County. "They don't stick their noses in other people's business."
The same feature drew Legare and Ingram to the land -- nature. Ingram said he's seen Carolina panthers, bald eagles and fox squirrels on the land. It is that quiet beauty Legare is after.
"I was raised in a very nature-like environment," Legare said. "I think the nature is beautiful in South Carolina."
Ingram, who says he is leaving Texas for Costa Rica soon, cites the boorish manners of Yankees as one of his prime dislikes for them.
"They look down their little pointy noses at the people in the South because we are polite and nice to them," Ingram said. "They think people who are polite and nice are dumb."
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You rage on & on to such a continuous ridiculous degree it should be assumed you are really a wannabe closet "Yankee"! LOL
Wasn't Oklahoma basically Indian Territory in those days? The Choctaws, Cherokees, Seminoles, Chickasaws, and other tribes had treaties or agreements with the Confederacy and many supplied troops to the Confederate Army. Were there similar treaties with the Union?
There were even a few non-voting tribal representatives to the Confederate Congress.
Mr. Hanly offered the following resolution; which was read and referred to the Committee on Indian Affairs:I'm curious. Did the Union have tribal representatives to Congress?
Resolved, First. That each Delegate from the several Indian nations with whom treaties have been made and concluded by the Confederate States of America shall have and be entitled to a seat upon the floor of this House, may propose and introduce measures being for the benefit of his particular nation, and be heard in respect and regard thereto, or other matters in which his nation may be particularly interested.
Second. That, furthermore, it shall be the duty of the Speaker of this House to appoint one Delegate from one of the Indian nations upon the Committee on Indian Affairs, and the Delegate so appointed shall have and possess all the rights and privileges of other members of such committee, except the right to vote on questions pending before such committee.The Speaker announced that he had appointed Mr. Boudinot [a Cherokee] corresponding member of the Committee on Indian Affairs, without the privilege of voting.
Twas the offensive that destroyed Lee's army. The offensives of Sharpsburg, Gettysburg, Five Forks that wasted the poor ignorant fools who fought to keep Southern society on the plantation.
Twas the offensive by Grant, Hooker, and Sheridan that drove Bragg's army away from Lookout Mountain. Grant's offensive that took Vicksburg.
Such offensives sawed away at the South's neck. Sometimes it was Southern generals, sometimes Northern generals. In either case, the South apppealed to the Sword, but the North brough Cannons. Bad choice. Trying to fight it out on those lines 150 years after the fact is even worse.
Rather a pity that the Ridge faction sold out their brothers, but a great joy that their attempt to murder their brothers was less than fully successful. President Ross continued his term of office long after Stand Watie was a minor footnote.
I would ask you not to refer to Stand Watie as your tribe's hero. Rather, you should refer to President Ross as a person of that Stature.
All the known tribes had treaties of friendship with the United States.
Any tribe which made a treaty with the Confederacy is proven by that treaty to be faithless.
Any who fought against the Union were as much traitors as the Southerners who fought against their brothers and their Country. Yes, that includes Davis and Lee, as well as Stand Watie.
From John Ross:
A treaty with the Confederate States has been entered into and is now submitted for your ratification. In view of the circumstances by which we are surrounded and the provisions of the treaty it will be found to be the most important ever negotiated on behalf of the Cherokee Nation, and will mark a new era in its history. Without attempting a recapitulation of all its provisions, some of its distinguishing features may be briefly enumerated.
The relations of the Cherokee Nation are changed from the United to the Confederate States, with guarantees of protection and a recognition in future negotiations only of its constitutional authorities. The metes and boundaries, as defined by patent from the United States, are continued, and a guarantee given for the neutral land or a fair consideration in case it should be lost by war or negotiation, and an advance thereon to pay the national debt and to meet other contingencies. The payment of all our annuities and the security of all our investments are provided for. The jurisdiction of the Cherokee courts over all members of the nation, whether by birth, marriage, or adoption, is recognized.
Our title to our lands is placed beyond dispute. Our relations with the Confederate States is that of a ward; theirs to us that of a protectorate, with powers restricted. The district court, with a limited civil and criminal jurisdiction, is admitted into the country instead of being located in Van Buren, as was the United States court. This is perhaps one of the most important provisions of the treaty, and secures to our own citizens the great constitutional right of trial by a jury of their vicinage, and releases them from the petty abuses and vexations of the old system, before a foreign jury and in a foreign country. It gives us a Delegate in Congress on the same footing with Delegates from the Territories, by which our interests can be represented; a right which has long been withheld from the nation and which has imposed upon it a large expense and great injustice. It also contains reasonable stipulation in regard to the appointing powers of the agent and in regard to licensed traders. The Cherokee Nation may be called upon to furnish troops for the defense of the Indian country, but is never to be taxed for the support of any war in which the States may be engaged.
The Cherokee people stand upon new ground. Let us hope that the clouds which overspread the land will be dispersed and that we shall prosper as we have never before done. New avenues to usefulness and distinction will be opened to the ingenuous youth of the country. Our rights of self-government will be more fully recognized, and our citizens be no longer dragged off upon flimsy pretexts, to be imprisoned and tried before distant tribunals. No just cause exists for domestic difficulties. Let them be buried with the past and only mutual friendship and harmony be cherished.
Any who fought against the Union were as much traitors as the Southerners who fought against their brothers and their Country. Yes, that includes Davis and Lee, as well as Stand Watie.
Ah, the traitor invective. I'm overwhelmed.
The Civil War (southern rebellion & invasion) has been over for some 141 years. The insurrectionist rabble rouser's lost.
Of course the so called Confederacy was willing to give away what was not theirs.
Rather a pity so many believed them.
Treaty of Hopewell, Nov. 28, 1785
Treaty of Holston, July 2, 1791
Treaty of Philadelphia, Feb. 17, 1792
Treaty of Philadelphia, June 26, 1794
Treaty of Tellico, Oct. 24, 1804
Treaty of Tellico. Oct. 25, 1805
Treaty of Tellico, Oct. 27, 1805
Treaty of Washington, Mar. 22, 1816
Treaty of Chickasaw Council House, Sept. 14, 1816
Treaty of Cherokee Agency, July 8, 1817
Treaty of Washington. Feb. 27, 1819
Treaty of Washington, May 6, 1828
Treaty of Washington, Mar. 14, 1835
Treaty of New Echota, Dec. 29, 1835
Yes, they were before the pretended rebellion. NO, the United States was not a party to the exchange of Southern masters for Northern. One party to a contract can not make unilateral changes. Southern States couldn't unilaterally leave the perpetual Union, nor could they unilaterally change the terms, nor unilaterally break a treaty negotiated with the Union and the Cherokees.
Unless you think I can sell Stand Watie's house to you, for what ever price I care to sell it, without bothering to ask him for permission.
It is not invective. It is description.
What else would you call it. Lee himself said that the secession argument was foolishness, it was just rebellion.
Then he knowingly joined that rebellion, because under it he could work his father's slaves for a few years more to pay off his father's debts.
Alas for his greed. He could have had honor, without killing so many of his countrymen.
More of the same neo-confederate disinformation. The side you still support had institutionalized slavery coupled with 100 years of Dixie's 'legal' Jim Crow-segregation, but you guys remain mute on these little factoids.
For example:
Promotion of Equality Any person...who shall be guilty of printing, publishing or circulating printed, typewritten or written matter urging or presenting for public acceptance or general information, arguments or suggestions in favor of social equality or of intermarriage between whites and negroes, shall be guilty of a misdemeanor and subject to fine or not exceeding five hundred (500.00) dollars or imprisonment not exceeding six (6) months or both. Mississippi
Intermarriage The marriage of a white person with a negro or mulatto or person who shall have one-eighth or more of negro blood, shall be unlawful and void. Mississippi
Intermarriage It shall be unlawful for a white person to marry anyone except a white person. Any marriage in violation of this section shall be void. Georgia
Barbers No colored barber shall serve as a barber [to] white women or girls. Georgia
Burial The officer in charge shall not bury, or allow to be buried, any colored persons upon ground set apart or used for the burial of white persons. Georgia
Restaurants All persons licensed to conduct a restaurant, shall serve either white people exclusively or colored people exclusively and shall not sell to the two races within the same room or serve the two races anywhere under the same license. Georgia
Hospital Entrances There shall be maintained by the governing authorities of every hospital maintained by the state for treatment of white and colored patients separate entrances for white and colored patients and visitors, and such entrances shall be used by the race only for which they are prepared. Mississippi
The Blind The board of trustees shall...maintain a separate building...on separate ground for the admission, care, instruction, and support of all blind persons of the colored or black race. Louisiana
Textbooks Books shall not be interchangeable between the white and colored schools, but shall continue to be used by the race first using them. North Carolina
Libraries The state librarian is directed to fit up and maintain a separate place for the use of the colored people who may come to the library for the purpose of reading books or periodicals. North Carolina
Lunch Counters No persons, firms, or corporations, who or which furnish meals to passengers at station restaurants or station eating houses, in times limited by common carriers of said passengers, shall furnish said meals to white and colored passengers in the same room, or at the same table, or at the same counter. South Carolina
Child Custody It shall be unlawful for any parent, relative, or other white person in this State, having the control or custody of any white child, by right of guardianship, natural or acquired, or otherwise, to dispose of, give or surrender such white child permanently into the custody, control, maintenance, or support, of a negro. South Carolina
Theaters Every person...operating...any public hall, theatre, opera house, motion picture show or any place of public entertainment or public assemblage which is attended by both white and colored persons, shall separate the white race and the colored race and shall set apart and designate...certain seats therein to be occupied by white persons and a portion thereof , or certain seats therein, to be occupied by colored persons. Virginia
Railroads The conductors or managers on all such railroads shall have power, and are hereby required, to assign to each white or colored passenger his or her respective car, coach or compartment. If the passenger fails to disclose his race, the conductor and managers, acting in good faith, shall be the sole judges of his race. Virginia
Intermarriage All marriages between a white person and a negro, or between a white person and a person of negro descent to the fourth generation inclusive, are hereby forever prohibited. Florida
Transportation The...Utilities Commission...is empowered and directed to require the establishment of separate waiting rooms at all stations for the white and colored races. North Carolina
Nurses No person or corporation shall require any white female nurse to nurse in wards or rooms in hospitals, either public or private, in which negro men are placed. Alabama
Buses All passenger stations in this state operated by any motor transportation company shall have separate waiting rooms or space and separate ticket windows for the white and colored races. Alabama
Railroads The conductor of each passenger train is authorized and required to assign each passenger to the car or the division of the car, when it is divided by a partition, designated for the race to which such passenger belongs. Alabama
Neo-rebs long for 'the good old days'.
"Hus du gezen in deine leiben, they darker than us. Woof!"
A simple question for you, under the Democrats' Jim Crow laws of South, our good friend STAND would be white or colored in the eyes of the law?
Perhaps that's not a fair question, how about this one, would he be considered a second class citizen because of his race by those that wanted to restart the confederacy for the last 140 years?
Maybe not simple enough, How about this, would Stand be ridiculed by southrons because he was an "Indian"?
And could he be lynched for just looking at a white woman?
By the way STAND, you DON'T need to answer these questions since they are not addressed to you.
so no pressure OK?
I mean that on a personal level of course, but as a follow up how would it have changed the world's history in your opinion....
For instance WWII which side would it have taken?
Why are there 50 on my list that are the same thing? Once is enough!
The rabble rouser's packed their pitiful belongings in bags with carpet sides, left their dirty northern cities and ravaged the South from 1866 to 1877.
More of the same steaming pile of manure from espinola.
factoid - An invented fact that is taken to be true because of its appearance in print. Through persistent misuse, a new meaning is taking over: a brief news item that is factual but usually trivial. Either avoid the word or be sure to convey which meaning is intended.
"[R]ace prejudice seems stronger in those states that have abolished slavery than in those where it still exists, and nowhere is it more intolerant than in those states where slavery was never known." --Alexis De Tocqueville, “Democracy in America”
In some Northern states, after emancipation, blacks were legally allowed to vote, marry whites, file lawsuits, or sit on juries. In most, they were not. But even where the right was extended by law, often the white majority did not allow it to happen. In Massachusetts in 1795, despite the absence of any law prohibiting on black voting, Judge James Winthrop and Thomas Pemberton wrote “that Negroes could neither elect nor be elected to office in that state.”[1] De Tocqueville, in Philadelphia in 1831, asked why, since black men had the right to vote there, none ever dared do so. The answer came back: “The law with us is nothing if it is not supported by public opinion.” When Ohio’s prohibition against blacks testifying in legal cases involving white people was lifted in 1849, observers acknowledged that, at least in the southern part of the state, where most of the blacks lived, social prejudice would keep the ban in practical effect. (cont)
Tell that to the Indians.
The United States solemnly guarantee to the Cherokee nation, all their lands not hereby ceded. [1791]
No, I don't since Slavery still exists today in our own nation.(this is a link to proof!)
If the Confederacy had succeeded in sucession, it surely would have kept the institution of slavery legalized.
The treaty of 1791! You should talk to Stand Watie about how his namesake was a party to the sellout of the Cherokee Nation's lands in Georgia that effectively voided that treaty.
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