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Top scientist gives up on creationists
The Guardian (UK) ^ | 30 May 2006 | James Randerson

Posted on 05/29/2006 6:03:36 PM PDT by PatrickHenry

A leading British scientist said yesterday that he had given up trying to persuade creationists that Darwin's theory is correct after repeatedly being misrepresented and, he said, branded a liar.

Speaking at the Guardian Hay festival at Hay-on-Wye, the evolutionary biologist Steve Jones spoke of his frustrations when trying to debate with religious opponents.

"I don't engage with creationists directly," he said, saying that, when he had, they had frequently quoted him out of context or accused him of lying. "If somebody has decided to believe something - whatever the evidence - then there is nothing you can do about it."

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The most important difference between evolutionists and creationists, Prof Jones concluded, is that scientists are always prepared to say, "I don't know".

"If there weren't any unknown parts of evolution, bits we don't understand, it wouldn't be a science," he said, "That's one thing that believers never say, because it's all written down in a big book."

In 1997, Prof Jones was awarded the Royal Society's Michael Faraday prize, the UK's foremost award for communicating science to the public.

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To: js1138

Because they proved it was fake. The organgutan jaw was carbon dated as was the man skull. Guess what, they didnt match!!! I believe the man skull was like 1000 y.o and the og skull was 10.


261 posted on 06/16/2006 11:43:10 AM PDT by NoGrayZone
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To: NoGrayZone
There are millions. And evolution does not mean there is no God. It just means that people like Darwin, Einstein, Hawking, and all the other famous and not so famous scientists think God is a lot smarter than you do. They think he has the ability to create all kinds of wild miracles. You on the other hand believe he has the intelligence of Jeanie. . There, a world, complete with animals and a guy with a missing rib.
262 posted on 06/16/2006 11:53:19 AM PDT by SaveUS
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To: SaveUS

There are millions??? Please name some. And I guess you base your scientific fact that scientists think God is a lot smarter than I do by the same method they prove evolution. (If you say it out loud, it becomes true). For all I know, evolution could be true, my point is that it has not been proven. You cannot prove something true by not being able to prove it false. That is not science.


263 posted on 06/16/2006 11:59:26 AM PDT by NoGrayZone
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To: NoGrayZone

And the research that "proved" Piltown was fake was done by mainstream scientists or by creation scientists?


264 posted on 06/16/2006 12:01:13 PM PDT by js1138 (Well I say there are some things we don't want to know! Important things!")
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To: js1138

See what I mean. I ask for proof and you have none to give. Tsk tsk tsk.


265 posted on 06/16/2006 12:04:25 PM PDT by NoGrayZone
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To: NoGrayZone
Evolution is a model. But if you can't understand what a model is, then you can't understand why no one takes your faith as fact. The problem I have with all of the creationists is they think is how their God created everything. Didn't happen that way. Doesn't mean there is no God. Just means God thought a little more, and took a little more time.
266 posted on 06/16/2006 12:52:22 PM PDT by SaveUS
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To: SaveUS

Ah, there is your mistake. I did not ask ANYONE to accept my faith as fact. It is my faith and my faith alone. Whether or not others accept it is up to them. My whole point is if they are both theories, they should both be taught, as theories, side by side and let people decide for themselves. The problem with evolutionists is they present their theory as fact, which it is not and do not allow other theories to be taught. This tells me that you are not confident enough in your theory to have others heard.


267 posted on 06/16/2006 1:20:06 PM PDT by NoGrayZone
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To: NoGrayZone
Here's one attempt at a short summary. Ichneumon's famous number 52.
268 posted on 06/16/2006 1:21:45 PM PDT by VadeRetro (Faster than a speeding building; able to leap tall bullets at a single bound!)
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To: VadeRetro

OK, when this bacteria grows an eye, a limb or any kind of anything, then maybe I'll think twice. However, the bacteria is still a bacteria. Our bodies also create tolerances, doesnt prove evolution. By the way, where are all the fossils of the genetic throw aways we evolved from? Not ONE has been found, not one. And dont give me this they were too soft to fossilize because they found fossilized worms and plants and bacteria. Darwin said the fossils will prove his theory, alas, they have not. Where did all these mutations go??? (I know I know, certainly not heaven cause theres no such thing).


269 posted on 06/16/2006 1:45:15 PM PDT by NoGrayZone
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To: VadeRetro

OK, when this bacteria grows an eye, a limb or any kind of anything, then maybe I'll think twice. However, the bacteria is still a bacteria. Our bodies also create tolerances, doesnt prove evolution. By the way, where are all the fossils of the genetic throw aways we evolved from? Not ONE has been found, not one. And dont give me this they were too soft to fossilize because they found fossilized worms and plants and bacteria. Darwin said the fossils will prove his theory, alas, they have not. Where did all these mutations go??? (I know I know, certainly not heaven cause theres no such thing).


270 posted on 06/16/2006 1:45:18 PM PDT by NoGrayZone
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To: VadeRetro

OK, when this bacteria grows an eye, a limb or any kind of anything, then maybe I'll think twice. However, the bacteria is still a bacteria. Our bodies also create tolerances, doesnt prove evolution. By the way, where are all the fossils of the genetic throw aways we evolved from? Not ONE has been found, not one. And dont give me this they were too soft to fossilize because they found fossilized worms and plants and bacteria. Darwin said the fossils will prove his theory, alas, they have not. Where did all these mutations go??? (I know I know, certainly not heaven cause theres no such thing).


271 posted on 06/16/2006 1:45:18 PM PDT by NoGrayZone
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To: NoGrayZone
So if you post the dumb rant often enough, all the evidence goes away?
272 posted on 06/16/2006 2:02:41 PM PDT by VadeRetro (Faster than a speeding building; able to leap tall bullets at a single bound!)
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To: NoGrayZone

Not one? Yes, there are millions of good arguable examples for Evolution. And evolution is still a model. A good model, but just a model. What do you have for creation? Noah's boat? An ancient man with a missing rib?
I personally think the creationists are more math deficient than anything. They can't fathom what every single animal on the planet packed into one boat would be. They can't imagine how the earth would be several feet deep in animals if all the species that ever existed were placed on the planet all at once. Just no mathematical skills at all.


273 posted on 06/16/2006 2:21:50 PM PDT by SaveUS
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