Separated at birth?
...and if you don't like that, there's always famed Ohio RINO John DeWine:
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Note: the text of the placard next to the Honorable Senator is purely coincidental.
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Posted on 05/12/2006 12:13:47 PM PDT by PatrickHenry
In his op-ed "Evolution's bottom line," published in The New York Times (May 12, 2006), Holden Thorp emphasizes the practical applications of evolution, writing, "creationism has no commercial application. Evolution does," and citing several specific examples.
In places where evolution education is undermined, he argues, it isn't only students who will be the poorer for it: "Will Mom or Dad Scientist want to live somewhere where their children are less likely to learn evolution?" He concludes, "Where science gets done is where wealth gets created, so places that decide to put stickers on their textbooks or change the definition of science have decided, perhaps unknowingly, not to go to the innovation party of the future. Maybe that's fine for the grownups who'd rather stay home, but it seems like a raw deal for the 14-year-old girl in Topeka who might have gone on to find a cure for resistant infections if only she had been taught evolution in high school."
Thorp is chairman of the chemistry department at the University of North Carolina.
Separated at birth?
...and if you don't like that, there's always famed Ohio RINO John DeWine:
Note: the text of the placard next to the Honorable Senator is purely coincidental.
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No, you can't take it, Furball. I think that is the point of your excercise. You'd rather impugne my credibility than prove your own case. Evolution is your security blanket and you don't want to give it up. You can't stomache the alternative, so it comforts you in your denial. There's all kinds of evidence in the world. And any spin under the sun can be put on it all. But there is only one truth for any of it.
Your side has been tasked with proving macro-evolution which we all know is impossible - not because it's unproveable - but because it never happened. You can't prove macro-evolution because it doesn't happen. It isn't observable. Variation is observable; but, it isn't macro-evolution. If you could show people macro-evolution happening anywhere in the world, you'd prove it beyond question. And with the zillions of living things on this planet and many more zillions born and dying every year for just the time of the existance of Darwin's theory, there has been plenty of observeable life to use as a lab.. hasn't happened.
The idea is a theory. The theory postulates how something might be - not how it is. In essence, if evolution were true, the bottom line is you wouldn't have a clue how it happened till you saw it happen at least once. So, you can't really say it takes vast time. Having never witnessed it, there's no case for it. So vast time is merely a copout used to excuse the absence of the obvious. You may not like what I say; but, privately, you can't avoid the obvious. However, you do have to put a public face on it for security blanket purposes. "Don't mind the rain, folks, Noah's boat isn't going anywhere" ... right.
Pat Robertson and Jerry Falwell are also concerned with many other topics other than the ones on this thread. So not all of their money is exclusively dedicated to the overthrow of evolutionary biology in the public schools. See also "Operation Blessing" or "Moral Majority"...
Full Disclosure: Has anyone bothered to look up the budgets of the Robertson or Falwell gang to find out how much *is* for lobbying on evolution?
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The expulsion of Jews from Spain is no the same thing as the Spanish inquisition.
Orthodox jews are the original heretics--they deny the divinity of christ, and consider salvation thru christ blasphemy. Are you not aware of this? You are totally out to lunch on this subject.
Nope, you're the one totally out to lunch. In Canon Law, a heretic is one who is baptized, professes to be Christian, and denies Catholic doctrine.
A Jew who was never baptized cannot, by definition, be a heretic.
No, someone who professes to have put their faith in Christ alone for the forgiveness of their sins. And that is certainly no criteria for letting someone in or keeping someone out. It's not an exclusive club.
And you bar the door to anyone who doesn't meet that standard?
And that's a real stretch. There's nothing in what I said that could justify that kind of comment. It's just an accusation to be inflammatory. What's your problem?
ditto
Except that Adolf applied it to the German Volk and other good Aryans, whereas most of the AIG crowd apply it to the planet Earth as a whole, or at least to mankind as a whole, without using it as an excuse for playing genocidal race cards with it.
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Throttle the insults if you don't want the compliment returned.
So...I'm NOT praying to Mary when I finger my beads?
You are, but Mary is not a god, so it's not a polythesitic act.
I see. Could I just as easily be fingering my beads and praying to Alfred E. Newman. Do you think my confessor might have something to say about that?
And Jesus and God are NOT separate entities? No.
Well then, why does the bible report jesus talking to god, and vice versa? Is this one of those parts of the bible we're not supposed to take seriously?
Aren't those statues of Jesus I see in church?Isn't that a picture of God on the roof of the Sistine Chapel?
Yes, but they're only representations. They are not gods.
So it wouldn't matter a bit if I just declared, oh, a picture of the Pillsbury doughboy to be God, and mounted up in place of jesus on the cross?
How come they don't look alike? How come God talks to Jesus in the bible, if they are both the same thing?
God is one being composed of three persons.
I see, but that's obviously not the same as three gods, because, um, um, I forgot again, could you remind me? Why not four persons? Why not throw in the Pillsbury doughboy? Why not throw in the Devil, for that matter? So God is the devil? So my sister isn't loony as a fruitcake after all?
Don't you have just a wee tad of trouble wrapping your lips around the statement "The TRINITY is not POLYtheistic".
Nope.
I keep trying, but I break out in a great big goofy grin every time I try.
Forgive me if I doubt your sincerity.
Forgive me if I doubt your lucidity.
The Epistle of Paul the Apostle to Titus
1:12 One of themselves, a prophet of their own, said, "Cretans are alway liars, evil beasts, lazy gluttons".Here to help1:13 This witness is true. Therefore rebuke them sharply, that they may be sound in the faith;
The inquisition did not target Jews who were open about their religious identity and never professed to be Christians.
Now it's true, Spanish mobs, even with the approval of the the king, did massacre and or forcibly convert Jews on a handful of occaisons. This was not, however, the work of the inquistion. Furhtermore, these massacres were 1isolated incidents that happened very rarely in Catholic Europe and 2) were never sanctioned by Rome.
You would have to argue then that morality can not be a naturally occurring phenomena, and that would pose a dilemma for evolution. Why is it do you think that evolutionary psychology (which incidentally falsifies your claim) attempts to explain these things..
Much like George Washington. Yet the suggestion he wasn't a Christian is hotly denied by Freepers.
Or to quote Weird Al Yankovic:
How was I supposed to know
that we were both related?
If I knew she was my cousin
we never would have dated !
Should I go ahead and propose
and get hitched and have kids
with eleven toes
and move to Alabama where that sort
of thing is tolerated?
No, No, No.
(second verse of his spoof of Avril Lavigne's Complicated, BTW).
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Review
The 'Jewish Question' in 15th and 16th Century Spain
Historian Sustains Spanish Inquisition Myths
The Origins of the Inquisition in Fifteenth Century Spain, by Benzion Netanyahu. New York: Random House, 1995. Hardcover. 1390 pages. Illustrations. Source notes. Bibliography. Index. $50.
Reviewed by Brian Chalmers
It is nearly impossible to dig into any chapter of Jewish history without uncovering lessons for our own age. Spain during the 15th and 16th centuries is a particularly striking example. Even today, our view of this period, and particularly of the Spanish Inquisition, colors our attitudes regarding relations between Jews and non-Jews. The Inquisition is considered one of Jewish history's darkest chapters -- and one of Christian history's most shameful.
In 1391 intense, pent up anti-Jewish sentiment in Christian Spain erupted with great violence against the country's prosperous, well-established Jewish community. Spanish cities were engulfed in ferocious pogroms that destroyed much property and claimed many lives.
Thus began a century of conflict between Jews and non-Jews that culminated in the mass expulsion of all Jews from Spain in 1492. (Ten years later, the Muslims were likewise driven out.) In their edict of expulsion, issued on March 31, 1492, King Ferdinand and Queen Isabella announced their "decision to banish all Jews of both sexes forever from the precincts of Our realm." Ordered, on pain of death, to leave within four months, the Jews were permitted to take their personal belongings, except for gold, silver, coined money, or jewels. Estimates of the number of Jews banished generally range from about 165,000 to 400,000. An estimated 50,000 Jews chose baptism to avoid expulsion. In his diary Christopher Columbus noted: "In the same month in which Their Majesties issued the edict that all Jews should be driven out of the kingdom and its territories, in the same month they gave me the order to undertake with sufficient men my expedition of discovery to the Indies."
Expulsions of Jews and outbreaks of anti-Jewish violence have been features of both European and non-Western societies over many centuries and under a variety of political and religious regimes. What is noteworthy about these 14th- and 15th-century actions in Spain, however, is that tens of thousands of Jews escaped death or expulsion by converting to Christianity. As a result, by the middle of the 15th century there was a numerically large (perhaps 100,000), and politically and economically significant community of people of Jewish descent in Spain who were, at least outwardly, Christians.
Establishing the Inquisition in Spain
Beginning with a furious anti-Jewish uprising in Toledo in 1449, the hostility of Spain's common people came to be directed against these baptized Jews, who were known as "New Christians," Conversos, or, contemptuously, Marranos ("pigs"). This new hostility developed in large part because the vast majority of these New Christians were, in the words of Jewish historian Cecil Roth, "Jews in all but name, and Christians in nothing but form," (endnote) and in part because the Conversos, freed from the legal constraints against "open" Jews, rapidly ascended to the highest ranks of Spanish society and represented a competitive threat to all but the highest levels of "Old (non-Jewish) Christian" society.
In A History of the Marranos, Cecil Roth sums up the central problem. "In race, in belief, and largely in practice," the Conversos "remained as they had been before the conversion." These New Christians, Roth continues, (endnote)
were Christians only in name; observing, in public, a minimum of the new faith while maintaining, in private, a maximum of the old one ... Baptism had done little more than to convert a considerable proportion of the Jews from infidels outside the Church to heretics inside it ... The populace, whose feelings thus became more and more inflamed, could not be expected to appreciate the theological subtleties of the matter. In the Marranos it could see only hypocritical Jews, who had lost none of their unpopular characteristics, fighting their way into the highest positions of the state.
Another Jewish historian, Howard Fast, has similarly noted: (endnote)
The nut of the matter is that most of the converted Jews remained Jews; they accepted baptism, they assumed the trappings of Christianity; and in the seclusion of their families, their homes, and their hearts, most of them did a thing that was then called "Judaizing" ... And not only did they Judaize, but in the feeling of power and security these Marranos had gained, they helped the Jews who had remained Jews, prevented a great deal of persecution, and gained favors for the Jews.
After decades of continuing anti-Converso disturbances, Ferdinand and Isabella, acting with papal approval, established the Spanish Inquisition in 1480. Its task was to combat religious heresy and root out crypto-Jews and crypto-Muslims among the "New Christians." "The introduction of the Inquisition," reports The Oxford Dictionary of the Christian Church, "was largely fostered by the civil power as a means of checking the Jews, whose numbers, wealth and frequent intrigues with the Moors were causing alarm." (endnote)
Soon this highly centralized authority was carrying out its work under Tomás de Torquemada, the able and energetic Grand Inquisitor who elevated the auto da fé, the "act of faith," and the rite of purification by burning alive, into a spectacle at once horrifying and fascinating.
The vast majority of those brought before the Inquisition during its first 20 years of activity were Conversos accused of heresy (secret Judaizing). With the passage of time, this agency grew into a powerful institution for protecting Catholicism and the established order in Spain. (It was abolished in the early 19th century.) It played a major role in successfully persuading Ferdinand and Isabella to expel the remaining unconverted Jews in 1492 on the grounds that they were continuing to interact with the Conversos, and were proselytizing among their former co-religionists.
It should be emphasized that the grim reputation of the Spanish Inquisition is largely undeserved. Its cruelty and arbitrariness have been greatly exaggerated over the centuries, largely as a result of anti-Catholic and anti-Spanish propaganda. The Spanish Inquisition invoked torture and the death penalty only very sparingly, and actually treated heretics more leniently than did other European countries during this period. (endnote)
Crypto-Jews
Your also source claims the medieval inquisition persecuted Jews and burned some at the stake in one incident 1288. Now I'd like to see some documentation of this, because I've read quite a bit about the inquisition and have never seen this incident mentioend. But even if it is true, it's just one incident in hundreds of years, hardly representative of the institution.
Cue to caption of critter on top, 5 minutes later:
Was it good for you?
Full Disclosure:
If Ontogeny Recapitulates Phylogeny, does Fission Necessitate Onanism?
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Why are you embarrased? Is JC a relative?
Catholic monk, priest, Doctor and Professor of Theology.
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