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To: donh
A few million sephardic jews might beg to disagree.

The expulsion of Jews from Spain is no the same thing as the Spanish inquisition.

Orthodox jews are the original heretics--they deny the divinity of christ, and consider salvation thru christ blasphemy. Are you not aware of this? You are totally out to lunch on this subject.

Nope, you're the one totally out to lunch. In Canon Law, a heretic is one who is baptized, professes to be Christian, and denies Catholic doctrine.

A Jew who was never baptized cannot, by definition, be a heretic.

485 posted on 05/12/2006 10:20:02 PM PDT by curiosity
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To: curiosity; donh
Ok, son, you've (weakly) responded to donh but not to me. Why?

can I give you more links ...

http://www.donquijote.org/culture/spain/history/inquisition.asp

"The Spanish government and its religious officials proclaimed the need for a pure and unified Spanish-Christian race, forbidding intermarriage between Christians or converts and Jews, which would destroy their ideal of purity of blood (limpieza de sangre). Following this ideal the Jews were either killed or driven out of the country, although when the Spanish Inquisition was finally suppressed in the early 19th century, many thousands of practicing Jews were still living in Spain.

The political justification for the Spanish Inquisition was the existence of a threat to the monarchy. The Spanish Christians (Christianity was the most widespread faith) were outraged at the Jews for a variety of reasons, most of them religious, and saw the Spanish Inquisition as a means of controlling the Jewish population, removing the actual source of the problem." (exerpt)

"... The government would soon turn to the Spanish Inquisition in search of an instrument capable of restoring the balance; the execution of hundreds of thousands of Jews was at once a form of revenge and a way of acquiring money and possessions at a stroke."

http://jmgainor.homestead.com/files/PU/Inq/si.htm

"This was a quasi-ecclesiastical tribunal established in 1478 by King Ferdinand and Queen Isabella primarily to examine converted Jews, and later converted Muslims, and punish those who were insincere in the conversion.... The Spanish Inquisition was much harsher than the medieval Inquisition and the death penalty was more often exacted, sometimes in mass autos-da-fe. It judged cases of bigamy, seduction, usury, and other crimes, and was active in Spain and her colonies. Estimates of its victims vary widely, ranging from less than 4,000 to more than 30,000 during its existence...." -Compton's Concise Encyclopedia

"The Catholic Monarchs ... . in 1478 ... first obtained a papal bull from Sixtus IV setting up the Inquisition to deal with the supposedly evil influence of the Jews and conversos.... ¶ ... The Inquisition's secret procedures, its eagerness to accept denunciations, its use of torture, the absence of counsel for the accused, the lack of any right to confront hostile witnesses, and the practice of confiscating the property of those who were condemned and sharing it between the Inquisition, the crown, and the accusers—all this inspired great terror, as indeed it was meant to do...." -Encyclopædia Britannica

... anything ... anything...??

501 posted on 05/12/2006 10:45:31 PM PDT by SubGeniusX
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To: curiosity
A few million sephardic jews might beg to disagree.

The expulsion of Jews from Spain is no the same thing as the Spanish inquisition.

Come on now. How precious can you get?--it is, in very many important ways, the very same thing as the spanish inquisition. The connection is intimate. You can't get much more intimate than to torture a jew claiming to be a christian.

Orthodox jews are the original heretics--they deny the divinity of christ, and consider salvation thru christ blasphemy. Are you not aware of this? You are totally out to lunch on this subject.

In Canon Law, a heretic is one who is baptized, professes to be Christian, and denies Catholic doctrine.

And what bread does that butter? The fact is, that a belief is a heresy whether a catholic professes it or not, and the church didn't hold back from mass murdering those who held such notions whether they'd been baptised or not.

A Jew who was never baptized cannot, by definition, be a heretic.

But he can hold heretical notions, and be murdered by christians for it; as a heretic--if need be, the instant they force a baptism upon him. Fat lot of comfort for him to know he's not being murdered as a heretic. I'll grant the distinction, but not the significant value of it.

535 posted on 05/13/2006 12:05:41 AM PDT by donh
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