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Evolution's bottom line
National Center for Science Education ^ | 12 May 2006 | Staff

Posted on 05/12/2006 12:13:47 PM PDT by PatrickHenry

In his op-ed "Evolution's bottom line," published in The New York Times (May 12, 2006), Holden Thorp emphasizes the practical applications of evolution, writing, "creationism has no commercial application. Evolution does," and citing several specific examples.

In places where evolution education is undermined, he argues, it isn't only students who will be the poorer for it: "Will Mom or Dad Scientist want to live somewhere where their children are less likely to learn evolution?" He concludes, "Where science gets done is where wealth gets created, so places that decide to put stickers on their textbooks or change the definition of science have decided, perhaps unknowingly, not to go to the innovation party of the future. Maybe that's fine for the grownups who'd rather stay home, but it seems like a raw deal for the 14-year-old girl in Topeka who might have gone on to find a cure for resistant infections if only she had been taught evolution in high school."

Thorp is chairman of the chemistry department at the University of North Carolina.


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To: SubGeniusX
The Inqisition (any of them)

Wow! Such ignorance. If you knew any history, you would know that Jews were not the target of any inquisition.

461 posted on 05/12/2006 9:52:18 PM PDT by curiosity
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To: lexfreedom
Homosexual behavior doesn't propagate the species, and therefore is illogical and inconsistent with good evolutionary theory.

Not necessarily true--maybe they are helping to weed out the less fit. ;-)

Cheers!

462 posted on 05/12/2006 9:52:28 PM PDT by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: curiosity
I have a fair idea.

You might have a idea and thats it. Other than large cities like NY which is not the US my experience is different. How were the Mormons treated. How did they treat anyone of another faith in their territory. We didn't have PC.

463 posted on 05/12/2006 9:54:41 PM PDT by jec41 (Screaming Eagle)
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To: curiosity
...by actually reading a biography of Hitler, you mean?

Which one did you read?

The US Army's.

464 posted on 05/12/2006 9:54:46 PM PDT by donh
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To: Junior
Oh, I get it. Ad hominem. If you can't counter the ideas, insinuate the ideas' holder is a bad man. Typical liberal strategy, but it should work with the relatively ignorant masses.

Did you see js1138's post 16 in this thread?

Cheers!

465 posted on 05/12/2006 9:55:45 PM PDT by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: curiosity
Wow! Such ignorance. If you knew any history, you would know that Jews were not the target of any inquisition.

Excuse me?

466 posted on 05/12/2006 9:56:00 PM PDT by donh
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To: donh
I'm violating my own rules by feeding a troll like you, but what the heck? I'll indulge myself one last time.

So...I'm NOT praying to Mary when I finger my beads?

You are, but Mary is not a god, so it's not a polythesitic act.

And Jesus and God are NOT separate entities?

No.

Aren't those statues of Jesus I see in church?Isn't that a picture of God on the roof of the Sistine Chapel?

Yes, but they're only representations. They are not gods.

How come they don't look alike? How come God talks to Jesus in the bible, if they are both the same thing?

God is one being composed of three persons.

Does God suffer from schizophrenia?

Nope.

Don't you have just a wee tad of trouble wrapping your lips around the statement "The TRINITY is not POLYtheistic".

Nope.

I keep trying, but I break out in a great big goofy grin every time I try.

Forgive me if I doubt your sincerity.

467 posted on 05/12/2006 9:56:38 PM PDT by curiosity
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To: Havoc
After 150 years, you're still trying to find the first bit of any obvious evidence.

Please explain why the vast amounts of fossil evidence and DNA evidence already presented is not valid. I notice that you continue to discount all evidence, but not once have you actually explained why any of it is invalid.
468 posted on 05/12/2006 9:57:16 PM PDT by Dimensio (http://angryflower.com/bobsqu.gif <-- required reading before you use your next apostrophe!)
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To: donh
Excuse me?

That's right, look it up. The inquisition persecuted heretics, not Jews.

It's a common error to think otherwise.

469 posted on 05/12/2006 9:57:33 PM PDT by curiosity
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To: mjolnir
Dawin's theory of natural selection can't be invalidated because it it inspired eugenics, and perhaps it's illegitimate to bring up what the moral implications of Darwinism are in a discussion about its truth or scope.

Darwn's theory, like all scientific theories, is nothing more than an explanation of events that occur in the natural universe, and has no moral implications. Any attempt to draw moral implications or convictions from a scientific theory indicates fundamental ignorance of science or fundamental dishonesty in general.
470 posted on 05/12/2006 9:59:23 PM PDT by Dimensio (http://angryflower.com/bobsqu.gif <-- required reading before you use your next apostrophe!)
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To: Junior
To put it succinctly, evolution sells commercial applications; religion sells hope.

Oftentimes, Christians have held on to, and even spread hope, when no money changed hands.
Methinks you are confusing American late-20th-century McMegaChurch teachings with Christianity.

Cheers!

471 posted on 05/12/2006 9:59:56 PM PDT by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: curiosity


by Rabbi Ken Spiro The basic accusation of the Inquisition was that Jews who converted to Christianity were still secretly Jewish.




In Part 45, when we discussed the Crusades, we covered the war of the Church against the Muslims in the Middle East. Now we turn to the war of the Church against Muslims in Europe. This war went on for quite some time in fits and starts -- from the time the Muslim Moors arrived in Spain in 711. It took a long time for the Christians to vanquish them. The first Muslim stronghold to fall was Toledo in 1085; the last was Granada in 1492.

As soon as the Christian conquest began, things turned very bad for the Jews.

In their blood-thirsty vengeance against the Muslims, the Spanish Christians included the Jews, whom they put in the category of infidels.

In Barcelona, for example, the whole Jewish community was murdered by a rioting mob. First given shelter by some Christians, these Jews were pressured to convert. Those who did not were refused protection.

Writes Professor B. Netanyahu in his 1,400-page work, The Origins of the Inquisition, quoting an eyewitness account of the time:


"Those of them who refused to accept baptism were immediately slain, and their corpses, stretched in the streets and the squares, offered a horrendous spectacle." (p. 159)

Just how many Jews converted in these forced mass conversions that accompanied the Christian conquest of Spain? Estimates rage between tens of thousands to as many as 600,000. (See The Origins of the Inquisition, p. 1095.)

Many of those who converted did so only outwardly, continuing to practice Judaism in secret. In due time, the Christians caught on to these phony conversions and decided to root out the heretics.


472 posted on 05/12/2006 10:00:44 PM PDT by jec41 (Screaming Eagle)
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To: grey_whiskers; lexfreedom
Homosexual behavior doesn't propagate the species

Yes, it does. Or it wouldn't exist as promenently and persistently as it has, in such distinctly variant patterns, in so many mammalian species. Clearly, by your lights, grandparent-ish existence couldn't possibly propagate the species, since grandparents can't produce offspring any more. Homosexual behavior is advantageous when it allocates resources for the young better than they would otherwise be allocated. Check out how wolves modify their mating behaviors in times of famine and plenty for a particularly easy to understand example.

473 posted on 05/12/2006 10:02:18 PM PDT by donh
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To: Junior
The only innovation Hitler brought to the table was mechanization.

Please go re-read Mein Kampf before saying that.

Cheers!

474 posted on 05/12/2006 10:03:19 PM PDT by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: furball4paws; Havoc
I have read them and more much more.

The issue (right now) is you evos never actually bring true, hard, or real evo-evidence to the forum.

Forget about Lil' ol' Wolf. Its for the lurkers furball its for the lurkers. Demolish Lil' ol' Wolf with the arguments and the evidence just one piece at at a time, it should be so easy with the tower of evidence the evos speak of. He**, ping the whole list as long as its argument and evidence they bring.

Now don't pull a demented on me and run off like she does so pathetically often.

Wolf
475 posted on 05/12/2006 10:03:49 PM PDT by RunningWolf (Vet US Army Air Cav 1975)
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To: jec41
Other than large cities like NY which is not the US my experience is different.

Very few Jews in the USA lived outside of large cities. As a community, they did pretty well. Were they fully accepted? No. WASPS looked down on them and wouldn't let them into their coops and social clubs. Some white shoe firms wouldn't hire them. But Jews started their own firms, like Goldman Sachs, that came to surpass many of the ones that were keeping them out. The good non-Jewish firms that did well tended to be those that hired Jews.

And they always had a large presence in our universities.

How were the Mormons treated.

Not well, but then again, Mormonism of the mid-19th century could hardly be considered a benign religion. I don't have much sympathy. They wanted to have a religion with practices that violated some of our secular laws.

476 posted on 05/12/2006 10:06:14 PM PDT by curiosity
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To: curiosity
That's right, look it up. The inquisition persecuted heretics, not Jews.

A few million sephardic jews might beg to disagree.

It's a common error to think otherwise

Orthodox jews are the original heretics--they deny the divinity of christ, and consider salvation thru christ blasphemy. Are you not aware of this? You are totally out to lunch on this subject.

477 posted on 05/12/2006 10:06:46 PM PDT by donh
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To: curiosity
Wow! Such ignorance. If you knew any history, you would know that Jews were not the target of any inquisition.

BZZZZT! wrong answer Try Again ...

http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/History/Inquisition.html

"In the beginning, the Inquisition dealt only with Christian heretics and did not interfere with the affairs of Jews. However, disputes about Maimonides’ books (which addressed the synthesis of Judaism and other cultures) provided a pretext for harassing Jews and, in 1242, the Inquisition condemned the Talmud and burned thousands of volumes. In 1288, the first mass burning of Jews on the stake took place in France.

In 1481 the Inquisition started in Spain and ultimately surpassed the medieval Inquisition, in both scope and intensity. Conversos (Secret Jews) and New Christians were targeted because of their close relations to the Jewish community, many of whom were Jews in all but their name. Fear of Jewish influence led Queen Isabella and King Ferdinand to write a petition to the Pope asking permission to start an Inquisition in Spain. In 1483 Tomas de Torquemada became the inquisitor-general for most of Spain, he set tribunals in many cities. Also heading the Inquisition in Spain were two Dominican monks, Miguel de Morillo and Juan de San Martin." (exerpt)

please be careful when you throw around the word "ignorant", it can come back to bite you in a VERY public way ...

also read:

http://www.catholic.net/rcc/Periodicals/Dossier/1112-96/article2.html

478 posted on 05/12/2006 10:09:38 PM PDT by SubGeniusX
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To: shuckmaster
Whether or not you admit that you just made that up, you really should consider how ignorant you're making yourself appear in a conservative public discussion forum.

Nonetheless, Hitler was openly opposed to Christianity.

See for example Nazi Seizure of Power: The Experience of a Single German Town 1922-1945 (ISBN 0531056333).

This is a quote I still remember from more than ten years ago within that book (something taught to the Germans during the Nazi era):

As Jesus freed men from sin and Hell, so Hitler freed the German people from destruction. Jesus and Hitler were persecuted, but while Jesus was crucified Hitler was raised to the Chancellorship ... Jesus strove for Heaven, Hitler for the German earth.

Cheers!

479 posted on 05/12/2006 10:10:02 PM PDT by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: Dimensio; Havoc
I notice that you talk of this vast amount of fossil evidence and DNA evidence, but you never actually bring any evo-evidence-arguemnts to the forum and buttress it yourself.

Your MO's are mildly clever, save that they are transparent.

If you actually have evidence and/or a argument of substance, bring it here and make your case.

Wolf
480 posted on 05/12/2006 10:14:58 PM PDT by RunningWolf (Vet US Army Air Cav 1975)
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