Posted on 05/12/2006 12:13:47 PM PDT by PatrickHenry
In his op-ed "Evolution's bottom line," published in The New York Times (May 12, 2006), Holden Thorp emphasizes the practical applications of evolution, writing, "creationism has no commercial application. Evolution does," and citing several specific examples.
In places where evolution education is undermined, he argues, it isn't only students who will be the poorer for it: "Will Mom or Dad Scientist want to live somewhere where their children are less likely to learn evolution?" He concludes, "Where science gets done is where wealth gets created, so places that decide to put stickers on their textbooks or change the definition of science have decided, perhaps unknowingly, not to go to the innovation party of the future. Maybe that's fine for the grownups who'd rather stay home, but it seems like a raw deal for the 14-year-old girl in Topeka who might have gone on to find a cure for resistant infections if only she had been taught evolution in high school."
Thorp is chairman of the chemistry department at the University of North Carolina.
Birth doesn't establish one's faith. Hitler opposed all forms of Christianity. He wasn't a Christian or Catholic.
Wasn't that my point? I ignored my baptism and catholic education for 30 years, and I have said plenty of less-than-complimentary things about the RC faith. It didn't get me off the roles at my hometown church. Do you have reference to some piece of paper in which Hitler renounced his affiliation? Do you have reference to some piece of paper in which the RC church ex-communicated Hitler?
Hitler never attended a Mass from the time he was 16 to the time he was put down - why would he be upset if he was not welcome to the sacraments if he never even sought them?
That wasn't the question before the house. The question before the house was: what was the source of his anti-jewish sentiments?
Be serious.
Maybe if you'd read the argument, you'd have a responsive comment. Lest we forget:
A picture of Madonna and child, by Adolf Schickelgruber. One of many laborously detailed paintings of catholic religeous icons.
Hitler leaving the Marine church at Wilhelmshaven
Is that also true of the millions of Hitler followers that listened to his Christian rhetoric? Assuming he was a hypocrite, why did he choose to portray him self as a Christian? What was it about the millions of people in his audience?
Proving what? People die and remain on parish registers. Names of people who have never even existed are on many parish registers as well. Poor bookkeeping isn't a doctrinal matter.
Do you have reference to some piece of paper in which Hitler renounced his affiliation?
It's called Mein Kampf, in which Hitler openly avows that he took secret oaths as a member of anti-Catholic societies.
Do you have reference to some piece of paper in which the RC church ex-communicated Hitler?
A latae sententiae excommunication by definition involves no ecclesiastical paperwork. It is automatic. Do you really think that the Church ran a computerized central database in the early 1900s tracking who belonged to what Masonic society and who had an abortion etc. and sent out form letters to them? Get real.
There is, of course, the Papal encyclical Mit brennender Sorge written by Pope Pius XI which condemns Nazi-style racialist doctrine as being incompatible with Christianity.
The question before the house was: what was the source of his anti-jewish sentiments?
The source of Hitler's anti-Semitic sentiments - excluding for the moment direct demonic influence - was obviously the nationalist German Volkische movement in which he involved himself from an early age. Coincidentally, the Schleicher circle of Masonic anti-Semites which he joined in pre-WWI Vienna had, as its slogan, "Ohne Juden ohne Rom, wird gebaut Germaniens Dom" - "Without Jews and without Rome shall Germania's cathedral be built." Germania being the dreamed-of pan-German Reich that Hitler eventually tried to build.
picture of Madonna and child, by Adolf Schickelgruber. One of many laborously detailed paintings of catholic religeous icons.
Like plenty of other non-Catholic artists in turn-of-the-century Catholic Austria, Hitler put together a portfolio of paintings hoping to get nice commissions from Catholic churches for altarpieces, reredos, Lady chapels and other lucrative mural work.
Big deal.
Hitler leaving the Marine church at Wilhelmshaven
Nice try, but the Marine Church in Wilhelmshaven - in one of the most monolithically Protestant regions of Germany - was and is today a Lutheran Protestant church.
This photo was circulated by the Nazis as propaganda in 1931 - as a way of showing Northern Germany's overwhelmingly Protestant electorate that this Austrian - who would usually be suspect of papist dual loyalty like the rest of his countrymen - was quite comfortable paying his respects (i.e. removing his hat) in a Lutheran church.
BTW, I do not mean to imply that Hitler was a believing Lutheran or any kind of Christian at all - he was an atheist who believed only in the so-called "Aryan race" not in Jesus. He was just doing a photo-op.
Sure is gonna be quiet!
Boohoo, who WILL we play with??
More than wishes.........
Are you addicted to BUYING them??
Just stop that!
Hopefully beFORE a Doctor says.....
Usually THAT will get your attention! ;^)
I have heard that the DEFINITION of sound was that it produced a sensation in an EAR.
Therefore, with no EAR around to sense the air vibrations, there would be no 'sound'.
2 posted on 05/12/2006 2:15:00 PM CDT by PatrickHenry (Unresponsive to trolls, lunatics, fanatics, retards, scolds, & incurable ignoramuses.) |
"By further reflecting that the clearest evidence would be requisite to make any sane man believe in the miracles by which Christianity is supported,and that the more we know of the fixed laws of nature the more incredible do miracles become,that the men at that time were ignorant and credulous to a degree almost incomprehensible by us,that the Gospels cannot be proven to have been written simultaneously with the events,that they differ in many important details, far too important, as it seemed to me to be admitted as the usual inaccuracies of eye witnesses;by such reflections as these, which I give not as having the least novelty or value, but as they influenced me, I gradually came to disbelieve in Christianity as a divine revelation. The fact that many fake religions have spread over large portions of the earth like wildfire had some weight with me. But I was very unwilling to give up my belief; I feel sure of this, for I can remember often and often inventing day-dreams of old letters between distinguished Romans, and manuscripts being discovered at Pompeii or elsewhere, which confirmed in the most striking manner all that was written in the Gospels. But I found it more and more difficult, with free scope given to my imagination, to invent evidence which would suffice to convince me. Thus disbelief crept over me at a very slow rate, but was at last complete. The rate was so slow that I felt no distress, and have never since doubted even for a single second that my conclusion was correct."
( Charles Darwin in his Autobiography of Charles Darwin, Dover Publications, 1992, p. 62. )
Charles Darwin (1809-1882)
"I think that generally (& more & more as I grow older), but not always, that an agnostic would be the most correct description of my state of mind."
( Quoted from Adrian Desmond and James Moore, Darwin: The Life of a Tormented Evolutionist, New York: W. W. Norton & Company, 1991, p. 636. )
I can accept this!
"How many divisions does the pope have?
-- Josef Stalin
NIV Matthew 25:41
"Then he will say to those on his left, `Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels.NIV Revelation 12:7-9
7. And there was war in heaven. Michael and his angels fought against the dragon, and the dragon and his angels fought back.
8. But he was not strong enough, and they lost their place in heaven.
(I shudda read ahead!! ;^)
Just a few posts up above...
One can use TRUE statements to decieve!
Proving what? People die and remain on parish registers. Names of people who have never even existed are on many parish registers as well. Poor bookkeeping isn't a doctrinal matter.
So...you don't have a piece of paper at hand in which Hitler renounces the catholic church, or a bull of Hitler's excommunication from the church?
Do you have reference to some piece of paper in which Hitler renounced his affiliation?
It's called Mein Kampf, in which Hitler openly avows that he took secret oaths as a member of anti-Catholic societies.
So...he wore a funny hat at a masonic lodge. Oh, good gracious. How devastating that ex-communication must have been. Could you point out specifically where in Mein Kampf Hitler repudiates his membership in the catholic church, or his christianity in general--I mean to say, where it is actually said--not inferred from your knowledge of arcane canon law.
Do you have reference to some other piece of paper in which the RC church ex-communicated Hitler?
A latae sententiae excommunication by definition involves no ecclesiastical paperwork. It is automatic.
And so, of course, it doesn't mean butkus back here in the real world.
Do you really think that the Church ran a computerized central database in the early 1900s tracking who belonged to what Masonic society and who had an abortion etc. and sent out form letters to them? Get real.
Hey, have I got an opportunity for you. The Mormon's use a big computer to marry off dead people to each other so they can be saved. To about the same practical effect.
There is, of course, the Papal encyclical Mit brennender Sorge written by Pope Pius XI which condemns Nazi-style racialist doctrine as being incompatible with Christianity.
Short of publically ex-communicating the nazi final solution, of course. Or getting into the specifics of the death machine. And notwithstanding, when pressed for details, Pius still said that differential laws regarding non-christians was a perogative of a state.
The question before the house was: what was the source of his anti-jewish sentiments?
The source of Hitler's anti-Semitic sentiments - excluding for the moment direct demonic influence
Yea, right. Of course. Demonic influence. And don't forget witches and necromancers.
- was obviously the nationalist German Volkische movement in which he involved himself from an early age. Coincidentally, the Schleicher circle of Masonic anti-Semites which he joined in pre-WWI Vienna had, as its slogan, "Ohne Juden ohne Rom, wird gebaut Germaniens Dom" - "Without Jews and without Rome shall Germania's cathedral be built." Germania being the dreamed-of pan-German Reich that Hitler eventually tried to build.
That is shallow christian apologist's self-serving b/s, as I have extensively documented on this thread. Volkische/masonic anti-jewish sentiment did not spring up from nowhere--you are pointing to the sympom, not the source.
picture of Madonna and child, by Adolf Schickelgruber. One of many laborously detailed paintings of catholic religeous icons.
Like plenty of other non-Catholic artists in turn-of-the-century Catholic Austria, Hitler put together a portfolio of paintings hoping to get nice commissions from Catholic churches for altarpieces, reredos, Lady chapels and other lucrative mural work.
Uh huh, yet another chunk of mind-reading evidence to stand against the USArmy's evaluation. There are other potential sources of income in the world, why did Hitler choose this one? You can tell just from looking at that painting how he didn't really have his heart in it--can't you?
Big deal.
Ram your head a little further into the sand, I can still see you.
Hitler leaving the Marine church at Wilhelmshaven
Nice try, but the Marine Church in Wilhelmshaven - in one of the most monolithically Protestant regions of Germany - was and is today a Lutheran Protestant church.
Who gives a rat's behind? How many times do I have to tell you that the question is where did anti-jewish sentiment come from, and why were Hitler's appeals for support of the Final Solution & such couched in religeous terms to a religeous audience.
This photo was circulated by the Nazis as propaganda in 1931
And, again, that's my point. Thanks for re-affirming it.
BTW, I do not mean to imply that Hitler was a believing Lutheran or any kind of Christian at all - he was an atheist who believed only in the so-called "Aryan race" not in Jesus. He was just doing a photo-op.
And again, who gives a rat's behind. That doesn't answer the question. It's not material whether Hitler was a Lutheran, a catholic, a jew, or an orthodox donkey's behind. The question is, where did German anti-jewish sentiment come to Hitler from, and why did he find couching his anti-jewish appeal in religeous garb so effective?
He appears to have that ARBY'S thing going on!
Although it appears you will STILL play with retards!!!
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