Proving what? People die and remain on parish registers. Names of people who have never even existed are on many parish registers as well. Poor bookkeeping isn't a doctrinal matter.
Do you have reference to some piece of paper in which Hitler renounced his affiliation?
It's called Mein Kampf, in which Hitler openly avows that he took secret oaths as a member of anti-Catholic societies.
Do you have reference to some piece of paper in which the RC church ex-communicated Hitler?
A latae sententiae excommunication by definition involves no ecclesiastical paperwork. It is automatic. Do you really think that the Church ran a computerized central database in the early 1900s tracking who belonged to what Masonic society and who had an abortion etc. and sent out form letters to them? Get real.
There is, of course, the Papal encyclical Mit brennender Sorge written by Pope Pius XI which condemns Nazi-style racialist doctrine as being incompatible with Christianity.
The question before the house was: what was the source of his anti-jewish sentiments?
The source of Hitler's anti-Semitic sentiments - excluding for the moment direct demonic influence - was obviously the nationalist German Volkische movement in which he involved himself from an early age. Coincidentally, the Schleicher circle of Masonic anti-Semites which he joined in pre-WWI Vienna had, as its slogan, "Ohne Juden ohne Rom, wird gebaut Germaniens Dom" - "Without Jews and without Rome shall Germania's cathedral be built." Germania being the dreamed-of pan-German Reich that Hitler eventually tried to build.
picture of Madonna and child, by Adolf Schickelgruber. One of many laborously detailed paintings of catholic religeous icons.
Like plenty of other non-Catholic artists in turn-of-the-century Catholic Austria, Hitler put together a portfolio of paintings hoping to get nice commissions from Catholic churches for altarpieces, reredos, Lady chapels and other lucrative mural work.
Big deal.
Hitler leaving the Marine church at Wilhelmshaven
Nice try, but the Marine Church in Wilhelmshaven - in one of the most monolithically Protestant regions of Germany - was and is today a Lutheran Protestant church.
This photo was circulated by the Nazis as propaganda in 1931 - as a way of showing Northern Germany's overwhelmingly Protestant electorate that this Austrian - who would usually be suspect of papist dual loyalty like the rest of his countrymen - was quite comfortable paying his respects (i.e. removing his hat) in a Lutheran church.
BTW, I do not mean to imply that Hitler was a believing Lutheran or any kind of Christian at all - he was an atheist who believed only in the so-called "Aryan race" not in Jesus. He was just doing a photo-op.
Proving what? People die and remain on parish registers. Names of people who have never even existed are on many parish registers as well. Poor bookkeeping isn't a doctrinal matter.
So...you don't have a piece of paper at hand in which Hitler renounces the catholic church, or a bull of Hitler's excommunication from the church?
Do you have reference to some piece of paper in which Hitler renounced his affiliation?
It's called Mein Kampf, in which Hitler openly avows that he took secret oaths as a member of anti-Catholic societies.
So...he wore a funny hat at a masonic lodge. Oh, good gracious. How devastating that ex-communication must have been. Could you point out specifically where in Mein Kampf Hitler repudiates his membership in the catholic church, or his christianity in general--I mean to say, where it is actually said--not inferred from your knowledge of arcane canon law.
Do you have reference to some other piece of paper in which the RC church ex-communicated Hitler?
A latae sententiae excommunication by definition involves no ecclesiastical paperwork. It is automatic.
And so, of course, it doesn't mean butkus back here in the real world.
Do you really think that the Church ran a computerized central database in the early 1900s tracking who belonged to what Masonic society and who had an abortion etc. and sent out form letters to them? Get real.
Hey, have I got an opportunity for you. The Mormon's use a big computer to marry off dead people to each other so they can be saved. To about the same practical effect.
There is, of course, the Papal encyclical Mit brennender Sorge written by Pope Pius XI which condemns Nazi-style racialist doctrine as being incompatible with Christianity.
Short of publically ex-communicating the nazi final solution, of course. Or getting into the specifics of the death machine. And notwithstanding, when pressed for details, Pius still said that differential laws regarding non-christians was a perogative of a state.
The question before the house was: what was the source of his anti-jewish sentiments?
The source of Hitler's anti-Semitic sentiments - excluding for the moment direct demonic influence
Yea, right. Of course. Demonic influence. And don't forget witches and necromancers.
- was obviously the nationalist German Volkische movement in which he involved himself from an early age. Coincidentally, the Schleicher circle of Masonic anti-Semites which he joined in pre-WWI Vienna had, as its slogan, "Ohne Juden ohne Rom, wird gebaut Germaniens Dom" - "Without Jews and without Rome shall Germania's cathedral be built." Germania being the dreamed-of pan-German Reich that Hitler eventually tried to build.
That is shallow christian apologist's self-serving b/s, as I have extensively documented on this thread. Volkische/masonic anti-jewish sentiment did not spring up from nowhere--you are pointing to the sympom, not the source.
picture of Madonna and child, by Adolf Schickelgruber. One of many laborously detailed paintings of catholic religeous icons.
Like plenty of other non-Catholic artists in turn-of-the-century Catholic Austria, Hitler put together a portfolio of paintings hoping to get nice commissions from Catholic churches for altarpieces, reredos, Lady chapels and other lucrative mural work.
Uh huh, yet another chunk of mind-reading evidence to stand against the USArmy's evaluation. There are other potential sources of income in the world, why did Hitler choose this one? You can tell just from looking at that painting how he didn't really have his heart in it--can't you?
Big deal.
Ram your head a little further into the sand, I can still see you.
Hitler leaving the Marine church at Wilhelmshaven
Nice try, but the Marine Church in Wilhelmshaven - in one of the most monolithically Protestant regions of Germany - was and is today a Lutheran Protestant church.
Who gives a rat's behind? How many times do I have to tell you that the question is where did anti-jewish sentiment come from, and why were Hitler's appeals for support of the Final Solution & such couched in religeous terms to a religeous audience.
This photo was circulated by the Nazis as propaganda in 1931
And, again, that's my point. Thanks for re-affirming it.
BTW, I do not mean to imply that Hitler was a believing Lutheran or any kind of Christian at all - he was an atheist who believed only in the so-called "Aryan race" not in Jesus. He was just doing a photo-op.
And again, who gives a rat's behind. That doesn't answer the question. It's not material whether Hitler was a Lutheran, a catholic, a jew, or an orthodox donkey's behind. The question is, where did German anti-jewish sentiment come to Hitler from, and why did he find couching his anti-jewish appeal in religeous garb so effective?
One of the things by which Hitler was recorded as being moved, was the spear reputed to have pierced the side of Christ. It was "miraculously found" during the first crusade, and brought back to Vienna.
Of course recent analysis shows that it was made in the 11th Century, and therefore a fraud. But it did inspire the Crusaders to great efforts.
S-gruber was a nutcase. He couldn't stand Jews because his natural father, Schicklegruber, was too close to his mother, and he had a vast unresolved jealousy. If only he could have had a bit of counseling and therapy!