Posted on 05/09/2006 8:33:28 PM PDT by stainlessbanner
WASHINGTON -- Back in the 2004 presidential primaries, when Howard Dean, former governor of Vermont, suggested that Democrats should be competing for the votes of young men with Confederate flags on their pickups, politicians from both parties rushed to accuse him of repeating a vile Southern stereotype: the redneck with antiquated views on race. < SNIP >
''Howard Dean knows about as much about the South as a hog knows about Sunday," quipped Georgia Senator Zell Miller, the conservative Democrat who supported President Bush. ''Sure, we drive pickups, but on the back of those pickups, you see a lot of American flags. It's the most patriotic region in the country. And you see hard-working individuals that want to instill values in their children, and you see a very, very strong work ethic in the South. He doesn't understand the South." < SNIP >
Many Southerners express outrage at Northern depictions of Confederate-loving Southerners, even as they accede to the idea that the flag has a place in their regional heritage. Only those inside the Southern family circle can truly understand the region's complicated relationship with its own history.< SNIP >
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It was a joke, calm down. Good movie though.
free dixie,sw
free dixie,sw
Non, you can't take the high moral ground if it isn't there, regardless of Southern leadership.
can you think of ANYONE in the USA who wants slavery returned???? can you NAME even one???(i think NOT! lol AT your DUMB comment/attitude!)
are you trying to replace "JSU&TI" & "m.eSPINola" as the class FOOLS/BIGOTS/haters????
a couple of more STUPID comments like that one will make you yet another LAUGHINGSTOCK & OBJECT of RIDICULE on FR.
free dixie,sw
Could be! At least Wlat put the effort into posting excerpts, quotes, and artifacts (even if it was cut and paste). The new posters make Wlat look like a scholar; not worth the debate in most cases.
free dixie,sw
Amen Brother.
Patriotic US Marine and a Staunch unreconstructed Southernor.
Semper Fi
"nope. just 4 mugs of Louisiana, chicory-laced,black coffee!"
Damn.. I want some but I'm stuck in Montana.. is there a place to get that online and shipped?
And you cannot pass judgement on others for their actions or beliefs when those of your own leadership was as bad or worse.
free dixie,sw
I will be the first to admit that by today's standards Lincoln was a racist.
...and then trying to say he was NO WORSE a BIGOT/RACIST than others????
On the contrary, he was light years ahead of southern leaders in terms of racial beliefs. Unlike southern leadership Lincoln did not believe that blacks were suited only for slavery. Unlike southern leaders Lincoln believed that blacks had rights guaranteed them by the Constitution and that were outlined in the Declaration of Independence. You can't point to a single southern leader who would agree with Lincoln on that, much less believe that blacks were in any way their equal.
That's a rather condescending comment.
Thanks Bud :)
never thought you'd admit that your "secular saint, DIShonest abe of DAMNyankeeland" had feet of CLAY, was NO BETTER than any other RACIST & the only defense you CAN make of him is that MAYBE he wasn't as big a CREEP as other people! (lol!)
free dixie,sw
free dixie,sw
The intent was not a blanket statement of FR or folks around here in general - of course this is a political forum and we talk politics!
As where Robert Lee, Thomas Jackson, Jefferson Davis, or any other southern leader you would care to mention. Wouldn't you agree?
But Douglas is dead wrong about the Founding Fathers not particularly wanting to end slavery, preferring to leave it to the states. Remember that the introduction of slavery was one of the grievances laid at King George's door in the Declaration of Independence, and there's plenty of evidence that abolition was debated at the Constitutional Convention, but that Georgia and, especially (and as ever) South Carolina made it clear that they'd never go along with the Constitution if that was the case. See Madison's comments in the Virginia ratification debates.
Individual states may have refused to abide by those laws in violation of the Constitution, but the courts were the place to take that to and not rebellion.
Well, we all now know where you screen name came from.
Why would the southern states bother with the courts AFTER both the Constitution and the Fugitive Slave Acts had already been ignored?
Is there a 'criteria of rebellion' that says you must complete steps 1 and 2 before preceding to step 3?
(I don't think so)
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Of course, if your earlier claims are correct then the jurisdiction of the Fugitive Slave Laws began and ended in the District of Columbia.
Physical jurisdiction, not the legal jurisdiction over matters written in the Constitution.
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Would that include being forced to deport runaway slaves to southern states?
Neither the Northern or Southern states could be 'forced' into anything......not even to stay in the Union.
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