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What is the FairTax?
Economic Freedom Coalition . Org ^ | current | Herman Cain

Posted on 04/04/2006 2:17:28 PM PDT by Eaglewatcher

The FairTax (HR 25 in the US House and S 25 in the US Senate) is a federal retail sales tax that replaces the entire federal income and Social Security tax systems, including personal, gift, estate, capital gains, alternative minimum, Social Security/Medicare, self-employment, and corporate taxes. The FairTax allows Americans to keep 100 percent of their paychecks (minus any state income taxes), ends corporate taxes and compliance costs hidden in the retail cost of goods and services, and fully funds the federal government while fulfilling the promise of Social Security and Medicare.

More FairTax benefits:

No tax on used goods. No tax on business inputs. With the FairTax, if you choose to buy any new good or service, the sales tax is charged just as state sales taxes are computed today. If you choose to buy used goods - used car, used home, used appliances - you do not pay the FairTax. If, as a business owner or farmer, you buy something for strictly business purposes (not for personal consumption), you pay no FairTax. So, in deciding what to buy, you get to choose whether or not you pay the FairTax.

No federal sales tax up to the poverty level means progressivity like today's tax system. Furthermore, to ensure that no American pays tax on necessities, the FairTax plan provides a prepaid, monthly rebate for every registered household to cover the consumption tax spent on necessities up to the federal poverty level. This, along with several other features, is how the FairTax completely untaxes the poor, lowers the tax burden on most, while making the overall rate progressive. However, the FairTax is progressive based on lifestyle/spending choices, rather than simply punishing those taxpayers who are successful. Do you see how much freer life is with the FairTax instead of the income tax?

All Americans take home their whole paychecks. Not only do more Americans have jobs, but they also take home 100 percent of their paychecks (except where state income taxes apply). No federal income taxes or payroll taxes are withheld from paychecks, pensions, or Social Security checks. Retail prices no longer hide corporate taxes or their compliance costs, which drive up costs for those who can least afford to pay. Did you know that hidden income taxes and the cost of complying with them currently make up 20 to 30 percent of all retail prices? It's true. According to Dr. Dale Jorgenson of Harvard University, hidden income taxes are passed on to the consumer in the form of higher prices - from 20 to 30 percent higher than they would otherwise be - for everything you buy.

Tax criminals - don't make criminals out of honest taxpayers. Today, the IRS admits to 25 percent non-compliance with the code. However, this does not take into account the criminal/drug/porn economy, which conservative estimates put at one trillion dollars of untaxed activity. The FairTax taxes those engaged in the underground economy capturing their income at the cash register. The substantial decrease in points of compliance - from every wage earner, investor, and retiree, down to only retailers - also allows enforcement to concentrate on following the money to criminal activity, rather than making potential criminals out of every taxpayer struggling to decipher the code.

The income tax exports our jobs, rather than our products. The FairTax brings jobs home. Most importantly, U.S. exports are not burdened by the FairTax, as they are with the current income tax. So the FairTax allows U.S. exports to sell overseas for prices 22 percent lower, on average, than they do now, with similar profit margins. Lower prices sharply increase demand for U.S. exports, thereby increasing job creation in U.S. manufacturing sectors. At home, foreign imports are subject to the same FairTax rate as domestically produced goods. Not only does the FairTax put U.S. products sold here on the same tax footing as foreign imports, but the dramatic lowering of compliance costs in comparison to other countries' value-added taxes also gives U.S. products a definitive pricing advantage which foreign tax systems cannot match.

YOU are in charge! The FairTax moves us from a system that taxes what we earn to a system that taxes what we spend. Under the FairTax, you control your tax liability, not the government. The FairTax puts "we the people" in charge of our money, and puts us all on the path to economic freedom!

To enact the FairTax and unleash the full economic potential of the U.S., we must apply Vocal and Persistent pressure on Congress each week.

Email, call or fax your members of Congress today. Send them this simple message: "Please support replacing the federal income tax code and become a co-sponsor of HR 25 or S 25, the FairTax."


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KEYWORDS: economy; fair; fairtax; tax
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To: Your Nightmare

Oh yes, Nightie - such a carefully-done study ... one that cannot even get the name of the FairTax sponsor correct and throughout uses the Bill Gale'esque inflated tax rate to produce the desired Chicken Little effect.

While all the time ignoring the amount the states now pay since they are taxed now by the federal government just as the federal government taxes itself. The "study" isn't meaningful at all but I'm sure you'll like it. Your tactic has always been (and still is) to throw up as much dust into the air as possible hoping that some of it blinds those who look no further for information.

When you see that's not succeeding, you then attempt to drag the thread off topic into some never-ending alleyway that is meaningless.

The primary issue to most people is freedom, friend. Your scare tactics are not working.


581 posted on 04/10/2006 5:18:30 PM PDT by pigdog
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To: eskimo

Where were those 20 words or less that was to illustrate your point (if you have one)?


582 posted on 04/10/2006 5:20:25 PM PDT by pigdog
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To: Kellis91789

It's naughty of you to disabuse Nightie of his favorite Chicken Little pontifications. He thinks people are stupid enough for his "stuff" to scare their socks off.

If you keep that up, he may bust a blood vessel - or say something bad at you.


583 posted on 04/10/2006 5:23:23 PM PDT by pigdog
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To: Your Nightmare

Wrong-o, Nightie. the buxx come from the same place as at present - tax revenue. And it DOES matter if they do it currently - can you not read??? (Obviously not).


584 posted on 04/10/2006 5:31:55 PM PDT by pigdog
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To: pigdog

Yet again you spam a thread with post that have no value.


585 posted on 04/10/2006 6:19:17 PM PDT by Your Nightmare
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To: Your Nightmare
I don't understand why you don't get that costs experienced go into the cost of the good or service sold.

Labor costs are one of those costs. An $80,000 annual salary costs the producer 80k plus fica. Even though the worker only sees 60k, the full 80k plus fica is a cost that must be covered and hence is in prices.

Help me understand what you don't agree with here.

586 posted on 04/10/2006 6:25:39 PM PDT by Principled
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To: Your Nightmare; Kellis91789
And why, exactly did you add pension and SS to the scenario
That's what Kellis does. skew the numbers to make it appear favorable to the fairtax.

Haven't you noticed? If this, then that...If that, then this. Like when he throws in the 3/4 of states payroll is educator's and the educator's wages salaries and benefits aren't subject to the new excise tax...Well, yes they are, only tuiton isn't subject to the Fairtax, there's nothing about "educator's" wages, salaries and benefits being exempt.

But what does that matter when your only argument is - if this, then that, if that, then this and neither this or that is factual but by doing this, then that he keeps moving the goal posts?

587 posted on 04/10/2006 8:53:05 PM PDT by lewislynn (Fairtax = lies, hope, wishful thinking, conjecture and lies. (no it's not a mistake)
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To: Badray
YOU brought up socialism.

But not income tax, that was your distraction.

588 posted on 04/10/2006 9:16:30 PM PDT by eskimo (Political groupies - rabid defenders of the indefensible.)
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To: eskimo

How dense are you?

You attack the FT for being a step towards socialism/communism.

The income tax IS communism.

Yet you apparently want to keep the income tax.


589 posted on 04/10/2006 9:25:43 PM PDT by Badray
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To: pigdog
Where were those 20 words or less that was to illustrate your point (if you have one)?

More than enough has been said here for you to find 20 words on which you can formulate a nit picking distraction.

590 posted on 04/10/2006 9:32:20 PM PDT by eskimo (Political groupies - rabid defenders of the indefensible.)
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To: Badray

You seem to be wrong about nearly everything.


591 posted on 04/10/2006 10:13:11 PM PDT by eskimo (Political groupies - rabid defenders of the indefensible.)
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To: pigdog
May of the arguments they present don't stand up to common sense let alone any sort of intensive analysis - like "the government taxing itself" conundrum since that's already being done.
Your ignorance on taxes is astounding.

Just as you are wrong about taxpayers are the tax base, you're also wrong about the withholding of employee's wages to the advantage of the employer (government) is at the same time taxing the employer (government).

592 posted on 04/10/2006 11:09:26 PM PDT by lewislynn (Fairtax = lies, hope, wishful thinking, conjecture and lies. (no it's not a mistake)
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To: eskimo

The main thing that I was wrong about was thinking that you might have had some common sense and the ability and willingness to actually discuss the subject. Instead you prefer cryptic messages, gamesm and gibberish.

Goodbye.


593 posted on 04/11/2006 1:08:40 AM PDT by Badray
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To: Principled
I don't understand why you don't get that costs experienced go into the cost of the good or service sold. Labor costs are one of those costs. An $80,000 annual salary costs the producer 80k plus fica. Even though the worker only sees 60k, the full 80k plus fica is a cost that must be covered and hence is in prices.
Would you like to walk through how the law of supply and demand determines the market price? You will see that, in a competitive market, costs determine whether a business can survive, but not the price of what they sell.
594 posted on 04/11/2006 4:23:06 AM PDT by Your Nightmare
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To: Principled; Your Nightmare
I don't understand why you don't get that costs experienced go into the cost of the good or service sold.

Labor costs are one of those costs. An $80,000 annual salary costs the producer 80k plus fica. Even though the worker only sees 60k, the full 80k plus fica is a cost that must be covered and hence is in prices.

Help me understand what you don't agree with here.

You must work for the government, that's just ass backwards thinking. The price you can get minus hard costs to produce determines what you can pay/earn, not the other way around. You don't determine how much you're going to earn or how much to pay employee's before you know what you can get for your product/service.

Gasoline prices have increased 50% in the last couple of years, is it because everyone at the gas station got a 50% raise?...Oh wait I know, it's because of their "tax costs".

It's not rocket science.

Principled business model:
Buy a lawnmower
Pay someone $80,000 a year to mow lawns
Add "tax costs"
Charge accordingly.
595 posted on 04/11/2006 7:45:30 AM PDT by lewislynn (Fairtax = lies, hope, wishful thinking, conjecture and lies. (no it's not a mistake)
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To: Badray
The main thing that I was wrong about was thinking that you might have had some common sense and the ability and willingness to actually discuss the subject.

Look, you are a propagandist with a job to sell some tax scheme. You are not even going to accept commonsense that conflicts with your script. You are not here to discuss, you are here to promote and, it seems, failing that, to ridicule. I'v said what I wanted, you keep repeating the script, it's done for now.

596 posted on 04/11/2006 8:33:51 AM PDT by eskimo (Political groupies - rabid defenders of the indefensible.)
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To: eskimo

LOL

It's too late for you to quit now. You've already been fired.


597 posted on 04/11/2006 8:58:48 AM PDT by Badray
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To: Badray

Getting fired is, perhaps, something you need to worry about considering the job you are doing is harming your cause more than helping.


598 posted on 04/11/2006 9:23:32 AM PDT by eskimo (Political groupies - rabid defenders of the indefensible.)
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To: lewislynn

"Numbers skewing" is Nightie's pasttime - but you probably haven't noticed that.


599 posted on 04/11/2006 9:35:33 AM PDT by pigdog
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To: eskimo

Sorry, eskie, you'll have to do your own searching for 20 words of explanation. everyone's tired of guessing what you intend the gibberish to mean.


600 posted on 04/11/2006 9:37:18 AM PDT by pigdog
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