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Testing Darwin's Teachers
Loa Angeles Times ^ | March 31, 2006 | Stephanie Simon

Posted on 03/31/2006 7:18:12 PM PST by Virginia-American

LIBERTY, Mo. — Monday morning, Room 207: First day of a unit on the origins of life. Veteran biology teacher Al Frisby switches on the overhead projector and braces himself.

As his students rummage for their notebooks, Frisby introduces his central theme: Every creature on Earth has been shaped by random mutation and natural selection — in a word, by evolution.

The challenges begin at once.

"Isn't it true that mutations only make an animal weaker?" sophomore Chris Willett

....

Frisby tries to explain that evolution takes millions of years, but Willett isn't listening. "I feel a tail growing!" he calls to his friends, drawing laughter.

.....

He's about to start on the fossil evidence when sophomore Jeff Paul interrupts: "How are you 100% sure that those bones belong to those animals? It could just be some deformed raccoon."

From the back of the room, sophomore Melissa Brooks chimes in: "Those are real bones that someone actually found? You're not just making this up?"

(Excerpt) Read more at latimes.com ...


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KEYWORDS: crevo; crevolist; discipline; education; monkeygod; scienceeducation; soupmyth
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To: delacoert
Reads like a novel. Is this supposed to be hard reportage? or is this crafted by a pseudo-news-reporter entertainer/author in search of a Pulitzer?

I think it reads like an article written by a journalist who was taught to be interesting.

61 posted on 03/31/2006 9:25:36 PM PST by jennyp (WHAT I'M READING NOW: Getting to Yes by Fisher & Ury)
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To: K4Harty
The chart is interesting but how does it infer the biochemical changes needed to transition from a cold blooded reptile to a warm blooded mammal?

It doesn't.

However, while you were waiting to be born, your ear bones started out in your jaw and moved to their present location. I posted a reference for this on another thread today: Post 91

When we've figured out the biochemistry involved in this transformation, we'll have a better handle on your question.

Placing skulls in an order that may or may not be correct is not quite "evidence" wouldn't you agree? From some information I have seen there is still debate if the proposed skulls even belong in that order.

You'll have to be more definite to challenge this. Which skull is misdated? By how much? Until you can provide something like this, I'll believe what Dr. Cuffey has posted - he provides references for everything.

But sincerly, thank you for the links

You're welcome.

62 posted on 03/31/2006 9:27:06 PM PST by Virginia-American
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To: Virginia-American; All

After reading the article no one should be surprised why our high school students score 24th in math and science as compared to other students in the top 25 countries in science and math. We use to be first 30 years ago. We did score first in self esteem. Guess they are shooting for the lowest possible position. We will have to add 50 more countries to the testing and that way we will be in the top 1/3 instead of the bottom 24/25. Then their self esteem will be even higher and their teachers and parents prouder.


63 posted on 03/31/2006 9:27:27 PM PST by jec41 (Screaming Eagle)
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To: Right Wing Professor
I miss Beavis and Butthead.

Me too.

64 posted on 03/31/2006 9:29:04 PM PST by Virginia-American
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To: Virginia-American
Might be expected.

These kids go to The One Church of Jesus, hear the minister introduce "Ken Ham, a great Christian speaker", who then describes how he reduces Darwinists to incoherance by using exactly this sophistry. The Congregation shouts "Prayz Jaysus", and a new generation of Creationid punks is recruited.

65 posted on 03/31/2006 9:29:06 PM PST by Oztrich Boy (Red meat, we were meant to eat it - Meat and Livestock Australia TV ad campaign)
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To: Virginia-American
in *history* class? What kind of stuff were you asking about?

"Why do they call it the War of 1812?" or "How did Roosevelt charge up San Juan Hill in that wheelchair?"

66 posted on 03/31/2006 9:36:33 PM PST by Ken H
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To: K4Harty; js1138
[where's the ID research]

I could say something like, "they are too busy correcting the existing research that is already out there" but that would not do anyone any good...

...and more importantly, it wouldn't be accurate.

67 posted on 03/31/2006 9:41:26 PM PST by Virginia-American
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To: Right Wing Professor

yeah, but sometimes young children, do ask probing questions. If they do it in a snotty, I know it all
way, that is very disrespectful. Unfortunately, that is
what goes for our "culture" nowadays..
Not good in any way...


68 posted on 03/31/2006 9:51:42 PM PST by Getready
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To: Virginia-American
"Isn't it true that mutations only make an animal weaker?" sophomore Chris Willett demands. " 'Cause I was watching one time on CNN and they mutated monkeys to see if they could get one to become human and they couldn't."

"Thank you, Chris, but that's not covered in this class.
So how about a five page report, in your own words, on this experiment, referenced and footnoted. 20% of your grade.

Next transparency ..."

69 posted on 03/31/2006 9:57:47 PM PST by dread78645 (Sorry Mr. Franklin, We couldn't keep it.)
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To: chesley
IB4TZ? My first time, I think.

You're still a virgin ...
But keep trying!

70 posted on 03/31/2006 9:59:42 PM PST by dread78645 (Sorry Mr. Franklin, We couldn't keep it.)
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To: js1138

71 posted on 03/31/2006 10:06:04 PM PST by dread78645 (Sorry Mr. Franklin, We couldn't keep it.)
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To: dread78645

Are you suggesting that Jesus will bogart my stash?


72 posted on 03/31/2006 10:11:53 PM PST by Dimensio (http://angryflower.com/bobsqu.gif <-- required reading before you use your next apostrophe!)
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To: Getready
...yeah, but sometimes young children, do ask probing questions...

These are high schoolers, not young kids. And they're not asking probing questions, they've been taught by their parents (and preachers ?) that it's OK to dis their teachers and insinuate that they're lying.

"How are you 100% sure that those bones belong to those animals? It could just be some deformed raccoon."

I'd like to see how this attitude goes down in Sunday school. Imagine

"How are you 100% sure that Mohamed (pbuh) wasn't inspired by God to correct all the errors in the Bible?"

73 posted on 03/31/2006 10:13:14 PM PST by Virginia-American
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To: Virginia-American
"Frisby tries to explain that evolution takes millions of years, but Willett isn't listening. "I feel a tail growing!" he calls to his friends, drawing laughter."

May be he IS telling the truth, for he might have an overgrown tail bone. Humans normally stunted tail bone, but he apparently has fully grown. It isn't a laughing matter, but of serious evolutionary implications. LOL
74 posted on 03/31/2006 10:23:47 PM PST by sagar
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To: Virginia-American
"We're not going to roll over and take this," said Alan I. Leshner, the executive publisher of the journal Science. "These teachers are facing phenomenal pressure. They need help."

They face phenomenal pressure because they can't do an experiment to prove their point. There's no argument about math because it's demonstrable. But to believe that species turn into completely different species requires faith because it can't be demonstrated, ever.

75 posted on 03/31/2006 10:32:24 PM PST by DouglasKC
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To: DouglasKC
Just get rid of science altogether. American science will be based on holy scriptures. America will be even greater in science. And while you are at it, get rid of other blasphemous topics such as geology and, of course, astronomy.

Who has proved black holes or "galaxies"?
76 posted on 03/31/2006 10:43:21 PM PST by sagar
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To: DouglasKC
They face phenomenal pressure because they can't do an experiment to prove their point.

This is true of all science. Nothing in sience is ever "proven".

But to believe that species turn into completely different species requires faith because it can't be demonstrated, ever.

You are incorrect.
77 posted on 03/31/2006 10:49:07 PM PST by Dimensio (http://angryflower.com/bobsqu.gif <-- required reading before you use your next apostrophe!)
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To: Bubbatuck

I find it sad that so many young kids are being corrupted by the lies of those with a political agenda to deny any religious beliefs. Some of the kids in this article will never understand biology or other sciences properly because of fabricated Darwinist propaganda.


78 posted on 03/31/2006 10:50:43 PM PST by Gargantua (For those who believe in God, no explanation is needed; for those who do not, no explanation exists.)
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To: Gargantua
I find it sad that so many young kids are being corrupted by the lies of those with a political agenda to deny any religious beliefs.

How, exactly, is this happening and if it is happening, how does it relate to the current article?

Some of the kids in this article will never understand biology or other sciences properly because of fabricated Darwinist propaganda.

To what "fabricated Darwinist propaganda" do you refer, and how exactly will it inhibit proper understanding of science?
79 posted on 03/31/2006 11:00:14 PM PST by Dimensio (http://angryflower.com/bobsqu.gif <-- required reading before you use your next apostrophe!)
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To: Bubbatuck
But the problem, as I see it, is this. The Evolution advocates seem to want to believe that their side is EQUAL to the infallible biblical history of God's creation.

It is not. Not by a long shot.

They would have us (and gullible teenagers) believe that there is a serious scientific controversy on this issue, when there is almost none. Given the total lack of real science supporting Evolution, it's ridiculous to posit that it should presented at all, much less on equal footing with Creation.

I know it's comforting for some to believe that supporters of Creation reject the unproven religion of Evolution out of some Christian bias, but that is just not the case. Present the evidence, do the science, fill in the unexplained gaps in the fossil record, SHOW people that Evolution is real, and I assure you, it might be accepted.

The notion that scientists all believe in Evolution is nonsense. It is the new ideas that win Nobel Prizes and assure completely meaningless pats on the back from other self-absorbed delusionist atheists for the discoverer.

The history of science is full of examples of people coming up with BETTER ideas, but those ideas had to actually WORK, unlike the Theory of Evolution.

Evolution does not do that. As a faith-based religion, it's fine. As science, it's a proven pack of lies.

;-/

80 posted on 03/31/2006 11:01:16 PM PST by Gargantua (For those who believe in God, no explanation is needed; for those who do not, no explanation exists.)
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