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Creationism to be taught on GCSE science syllabus (you can't keep a good idea down)
The Times of London ^ | 10 March 2006 | Tony Halpin

Posted on 03/09/2006 6:55:14 PM PST by Greg o the Navy

AN EXAMINATIONS board is including references to “creationism” in a new GCSE science course for schools.


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To: Elsie

Same as for any other religious figure. See if it matches the image on the potatoe chip.


741 posted on 03/13/2006 2:04:02 PM PST by Doctor Stochastic (Vegetabilisch = chaotisch ist der Charakter der Modernen. - Friedrich Schlegel)
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To: js1138
The Bible doesn't mandate slave ownership, any more than it mandates eating meat. But it does say it's OK.

The Pharisees tried to trick Jesus in much the same way by asking Him if it was lawful for a man to divorce his wife.
But Jesus said to them, "Because of your hardness of heart he wrote you this commandment".
- Mark 10:5
If you happen to be a slave owner you have to be careful about beating your property to death, but all is forgiven if the slave lives at least 24 hours after the beating.

As for this scripture, this is referring to civil law, not moral law. The punishment that comes from beating a slave to death was at the hands of the community. The Hebrews had a very novel method of treating their slaves compared to the rest of the world. Albert Barnes says the following in regards to Exodus 21:20-21:
The protection here afforded to the life of a slave may seem to us but a slight one; but it is the very earliest trace of such protection in legislation, and it stands in strong and favorable contrast with the old laws of Greece, Rome, and other nations. If the slave survived the castigation a day or two, the master did not become amenable to the law, because the loss of the slave was accounted, under the circumstances, as a punishment. - Albert Barnes, Notes on the Bible
According to Exodus 21:26-27, if a master causes permanent injury to a slave, he or she is set free. This doesn't sound like the form of slavery practiced in N. America, nor in much of the world.
742 posted on 03/13/2006 2:14:35 PM PST by Sopater (Creatio Ex Nihilo)
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To: Elsie
Amen Elsie! He also said:
A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another.
- John 13:34

743 posted on 03/13/2006 2:38:55 PM PST by Sopater (Creatio Ex Nihilo)
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To: Sopater

Odd that slavery is mentioned half a dozen times in the Old Testament and several times in the New Testament, and nowhere is it prohibited or described as immoral.

It is doubly odd, if, as you say, the killing of a slave came under civil law, and no mention is made of morality. In fact, the slave is specifically described as property.

I am curious what you find in the Bible that would cause you to think holding a person as property is against God's Law.


744 posted on 03/13/2006 4:34:05 PM PST by js1138
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To: CarolinaGuitarman
But not those teaching evolution.

So now Darwinism isn't evolution? Check your definitions.

745 posted on 03/13/2006 5:05:16 PM PST by AndrewC (Darwinian logic -- It is just-so if it is just-so)
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To: AndrewC

"So now Darwinism isn't evolution? Check your definitions."

Check yours.


746 posted on 03/13/2006 5:06:28 PM PST by CarolinaGuitarman ("There is grandeur in this view of life...")
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To: CarolinaGuitarman
Check yours.

Dar·win·ism   Audio pronunciation of "darwinism" ( P )  Pronunciation Key  (därw-nzm)
n.

A theory of biological evolution developed by Charles Darwin and others, stating that all species of organisms arise and develop through the natural selection of small, inherited variations that increase the individual's ability to compete, survive, and reproduce. Also called Darwinian theory.

747 posted on 03/13/2006 5:25:13 PM PST by AndrewC (Darwinian logic -- It is just-so if it is just-so)
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To: AndrewC
Darwinism is the term used by creationists to disparage evolution. Despite the ignorant definition you provided, it is not what scientists call evolution.

Wise men teach evolution in science class. The ignorant try to get the government to introduce creationism/ID through a system of affirmative action. Creationists are really liberals and just don't know it. :)
748 posted on 03/13/2006 5:31:44 PM PST by CarolinaGuitarman ("There is grandeur in this view of life...")
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To: Sopater

"Please feel free to show me where the bible proclaims slavery as a moral mandate."

Good response. Nowhere in scripture is "slavery" mandated, anymore than is plural marraige. However, it is strictly regulated, and slaves had rights under the OT law. In the NT, the implication is that slavery is tolerated by Christians because it is part of the ruling powers. However, in Philemon, Paul clearly "hints" that Philemon's run away slave should be freed.


749 posted on 03/13/2006 5:37:59 PM PST by Sola Veritas (Trying to speak truth - not always with the best grammar or spelling)
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To: CarolinaGuitarman
Darwinism is the term used by creationists to disparage evolution. Despite the ignorant definition you provided, it is not what scientists call evolution.

You oughta take up banjo strummin' to go along with your tap dancing.

I'll take these sources' definitions of words rather than your definitions. They are not ignorant.

The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, Fourth Edition
The American Heritage® Stedman's Medical Dictionary
Merriam-Webster's Medical Dictionary, © 2002 Merriam-Webster, Inc.
WordNet ® 2.0, © 2003 Princeton University

750 posted on 03/13/2006 5:40:14 PM PST by AndrewC (Darwinian logic -- It is just-so if it is just-so)
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To: AndrewC
"You oughta take up banjo strummin' to go along with your tap dancing."

I do play the banjo; I don't know why you think that is insulting to imply it. :)

"'ll take these sources' definitions of words rather than your definitions. They are not ignorant."

Sure they are. And your main point, that wise men don't teach evolution in science class, is even more ignorant. I know you meant it as humor, but really, humor needs some grounding in reality to be funny. Your example was a fantasy. :)
751 posted on 03/13/2006 5:45:53 PM PST by CarolinaGuitarman ("There is grandeur in this view of life...")
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To: CarolinaGuitarman
Sure they are.

You have proven you are delusional.

752 posted on 03/13/2006 5:48:33 PM PST by AndrewC (Darwinian logic -- It is just-so if it is just-so)
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Leviticus:
25:44 Both thy bondmen, and thy bondmaids, which thou shalt have, shall be of the heathen that are round about you; of them shall ye buy bondmen and bondmaids.

25:45 Moreover of the children of the strangers that do sojourn among you, of them shall ye buy, and of their families that are with you, which they begat in your land: and they shall be your possession.

25:46 And ye shall take them as an inheritance for your children after you, to inherit them for a possession; they shall be your bondmen for ever: but over your brethren the children of Israel, ye shall not rule one over another with rigour.

753 posted on 03/13/2006 5:50:50 PM PST by PatrickHenry (Virtual Ignore for trolls, lunatics, dotards, scolds, & incurable ignoramuses.)
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To: AndrewC
"You have proven you are delusional."

No, they are mistaken. As are you. Scientists studying evolution don't call themselves *Darwinists*. They are evolutionary biologists.

And, again, your main point (meant to be clever, but falling flat) that wise teachers don't teach evolution in science class is just silly. No matter how many times you say it, evolution is still one of the best evidenced theories in science, and that is reflected in the almost complete acceptance of it by people who actually study the matter. I won't say you're delusional, but I won't say you're not either. :)
754 posted on 03/13/2006 5:55:19 PM PST by CarolinaGuitarman ("There is grandeur in this view of life...")
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To: CarolinaGuitarman
No, they are mistaken

More proof you are delusional.

755 posted on 03/13/2006 5:56:45 PM PST by AndrewC (Darwinian logic -- It is just-so if it is just-so)
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To: AndrewC

Darwinist Richard Dawkins to discuss evolution in Assembly Series lecture

Eminent Darwinist Richard Dawkins, Ph.D., will deliver the Omicron Delta Kappa Honors lecture titled "Is Evolution Progressive?" at 11 a.m. March 12 in Graham Chapel. This Assembly Series lecture is free and open to the public.

Dawkins is one of the foremost experts on evolutionary biology. He is the author of "The Selfish Gene," in which he argues that a living being's primary genetic drive is to replicate and propagate. In his book "The Blind Watchmaker," he argues that concepts such as free will and spirituality actually are the products of a genetic evolutionary process that is not predetermined. In his most recent book, "River Out of Eden," Dawkins explains evolution as a flowing river of genes that meet, compete, unite and separate to form new species.

Dawkins won the Royal Society of Literature Award and the Los Angeles Times Literary Prize, both in 1987 and both for "The Blind Watchmaker." He won the Zoological Society of London Silver Medal in 1989. He has written book reviews and articles for numerous journals, newspapers and magazines and has made radio and TV appearances in Europe, the United States, Australia and Japan.

He studied zoology at Oxford University, where he was a research student with Nobel Prize-winner Nikolaas Tinbergen, a renowned Danish ethologist -- a biologist who studies the nature of animal behavior. Dawkins was an assistant professor at the University of California at Berkeley for two years before becoming a lecturer in the Department of Zoology at Oxford and a fellow of New College. He now is the Charles Simonyi Professor of Public Understanding of Science at Oxford. He lives in Oxford with his wife, actress Lalla Ward.

For more information, call (314) 935-5285.

756 posted on 03/13/2006 5:58:57 PM PST by AndrewC (Darwinian logic -- It is just-so if it is just-so)
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To: AndrewC
"More proof you are delusional."

Nah, you just are ignorant. And I notice you have no answer to my post other than ad hom. You are at least consistent. :)
757 posted on 03/13/2006 5:59:26 PM PST by CarolinaGuitarman ("There is grandeur in this view of life...")
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To: CarolinaGuitarman
evolution is still one of the best evidenced theories in science

From an NSF abstract:

As with all scientific knowledge, a theory can be refined or even replaced by an alternative theory in light of new and compelling evidence. The geocentric theory that the sun revolves around the earth was replaced by the heliocentric theory of the earth's rotation on its axis and revolution around the sun. However, ideas are not referred to as "theories" in science unless they are supported by bodies of evidence that make their subsequent abandonment very unlikely. When a theory is supported by as much evidence as evolution, it is held with a very high degree of confidence.

In science, the word "hypothesis" conveys the tentativeness inherent in the common use of the word "theory.' A hypothesis is a testable statement about the natural world. Through experiment and observation, hypotheses can be supported or rejected. At the earliest level of understanding, hypotheses can be used to construct more complex inferences and explanations. Like "theory," the word "fact" has a different meaning in science than it does in common usage. A scientific fact is an observation that has been confirmed over and over. However, observations are gathered by our senses, which can never be trusted entirely. Observations also can change with better technologies or with better ways of looking at data. For example, it was held as a scientific fact for many years that human cells have 24 pairs of chromosomes, until improved techniques of microscopy revealed that they actually have 23. Ironically, facts in science often are more susceptible to change than theories, which is one reason why the word "fact" is not much used in science.

Finally, "laws" in science are typically descriptions of how the physical world behaves under certain circumstances. For example, the laws of motion describe how objects move when subjected to certain forces. These laws can be very useful in supporting hypotheses and theories, but like all elements of science they can be altered with new information and observations.

Those who oppose the teaching of evolution often say that evolution should be taught as a "theory, not as a fact." This statement confuses the common use of these words with the scientific use. In science, theories do not turn into facts through the accumulation of evidence. Rather, theories are the end points of science. They are understandings that develop from extensive observation, experimentation, and creative reflection. They incorporate a large body of scientific facts, laws, tested hypotheses, and logical inferences. In this sense, evolution is one of the strongest and most useful scientific theories we have. [emphasis added]

Modified from RadioAstronomers's post #27 on another thread.


758 posted on 03/13/2006 6:01:15 PM PST by Coyoteman (I love the sound of beta decay in the morning!)
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To: AndrewC
"Darwinist Richard Dawkins to discuss evolution in Assembly Series lecture

Eminent Darwinist Richard Dawkins, Ph.D., will deliver the Omic"

The author of this piece is ignorant. *Darwinist* is not a term used by practicing scientists. Who cares what some boob in the press says? Oh, that would be you. And this is really an argument of semantics. Your point that evolution isn't science is just silly, and ignorant.
759 posted on 03/13/2006 6:02:34 PM PST by CarolinaGuitarman ("There is grandeur in this view of life...")
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To: AndrewC

Do you have some evidence that Dawkins wrote the headline? If no, what is your point?


760 posted on 03/13/2006 6:04:46 PM PST by js1138
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