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Churches urged to back evolution
British Broadcasting Corporation ^ | 20 February 2006 | Paul Rincon

Posted on 02/20/2006 5:33:50 AM PST by ToryHeartland

Churches urged to back evolution By Paul Rincon BBC News science reporter, St Louis

US scientists have called on mainstream religious communities to help them fight policies that undermine the teaching of evolution.

The American Association for the Advancement of Science (AAAS) hit out at the "intelligent design" movement at its annual meeting in Missouri.

Teaching the idea threatens scientific literacy among schoolchildren, it said.

Its proponents argue life on Earth is too complex to have evolved on its own.

As the name suggests, intelligent design is a concept invoking the hand of a designer in nature.

It's time to recognise that science and religion should never be pitted against each other Gilbert Omenn AAAS president

There have been several attempts across the US by anti-evolutionists to get intelligent design taught in school science lessons.

At the meeting in St Louis, the AAAS issued a statement strongly condemning the moves.

"Such veiled attempts to wedge religion - actually just one kind of religion - into science classrooms is a disservice to students, parents, teachers and tax payers," said AAAS president Gilbert Omenn.

"It's time to recognise that science and religion should never be pitted against each other.

"They can and do co-exist in the context of most people's lives. Just not in science classrooms, lest we confuse our children."

'Who's kidding whom?'

Eugenie Scott, director of the National Center for Science Education, which campaigns to keep evolution in public schools, said those in mainstream religious communities needed to "step up to the plate" in order to prevent the issue being viewed as a battle between science and religion.

Some have already heeded the warning.

"The intelligent design movement belittles evolution. It makes God a designer - an engineer," said George Coyne, director of the Vatican Observatory.

"Intelligent design concentrates on a designer who they do not really identify - but who's kidding whom?"

Last year, a federal judge ruled in favour of 11 parents in Dover, Pennsylvania, who argued that Darwinian evolution must be taught as fact.

Dover school administrators had pushed for intelligent design to be inserted into science teaching. But the judge ruled this violated the constitution, which sets out a clear separation between religion and state.

Despite the ruling, more challenges are on the way.

Fourteen US states are considering bills that scientists say would restrict the teaching of evolution.

These include a legislative bill in Missouri which seeks to ensure that only science which can be proven by experiment is taught in schools.

I think if we look at where the empirical scientific evidence leads us, it leads us towards intelligent design Teacher Mark Gihring "The new strategy is to teach intelligent design without calling it intelligent design," biologist Kenneth Miller, of Brown University in Rhode Island, told the BBC News website.

Dr Miller, an expert witness in the Dover School case, added: "The advocates of intelligent design and creationism have tried to repackage their criticisms, saying they want to teach the evidence for evolution and the evidence against evolution."

However, Mark Gihring, a teacher from Missouri sympathetic to intelligent design, told the BBC: "I think if we look at where the empirical scientific evidence leads us, it leads us towards intelligent design.

"[Intelligent design] ultimately takes us back to why we're here and the value of life... if an individual doesn't have a reason for being, they might carry themselves in a way that is ultimately destructive for society."

Economic risk

The decentralised US education system ensures that intelligent design will remain an issue in the classroom regardless of the decision in the Dover case.

"I think as a legal strategy, intelligent design is dead. That does not mean intelligent design as a social movement is dead," said Ms Scott.

"This is an idea that has real legs and it's going to be around for a long time. It will, however, evolve."

Among the most high-profile champions of intelligent design is US President George W Bush, who has said schools should make students aware of the concept.

But Mr Omenn warned that teaching intelligent design will deprive students of a proper education, ultimately harming the US economy.

"At a time when fewer US students are heading into science, baby boomer scientists are retiring in growing numbers and international students are returning home to work, America can ill afford the time and tax-payer dollars debating the facts of evolution," he said. Story from BBC NEWS: http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/1/hi/sci/tech/4731360.stm

Published: 2006/02/20 10:54:16 GMT

© BBC MMVI


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To: Elsie

"So much for Peer Review!"

Peer review worked. It was never accepted in a scientific journal.


1,161 posted on 02/21/2006 12:59:42 PM PST by CarolinaGuitarman ("There is grandeur in this view of life...")
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To: ToryHeartland; Junior

I'd say, in reply, that 'truth' seems to have a very broad meaning, the way you describe it.

As I understand it, one can only understand [God's Word] through the tradition's of the Fathers (meaning, of course, the RCC.)

To us Protestants, this means the Word (written) is trumped by what men say about it. (Even Junior would probably say that this is illogical.)


1,162 posted on 02/21/2006 1:00:38 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going....)
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To: hail to the chief
If God is the origin and definition of all laws, why should He be subject to laws about how He can and cannot save people?

Potter and the clay; right?

1,163 posted on 02/21/2006 1:01:15 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going....)
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To: Dimensio
So you're saying that I should have considered the possibility that the poster merely believed that every word he spoke came directly, and unerringly, from God himself.

I'm sure you can prove it didn't

Okay. I admit that I did not consider such a possibility. Now that I do consider it, I still don't see how I can consider the poster as anything but supremely arrogant and delusional

Ok, I'll play your little game. Are you saying that anyone who believes that the Bible is the transcribed word of God and uses those words to support their world view is arrogant and delusional? (you left out liar, but I'll give you a pass, for obvious reasons)

oops... supremely arrogant and delusional

And therefore, anyone considered arrogant and delusional can by your definition be summarily dismissed.

Did I get that right?
1,164 posted on 02/21/2006 1:03:29 PM PST by darbymcgill
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To: PatrickHenry; spazzedgadfly
Excellent analysis.

Yeah!!

What he said!

--EvoDude

1,165 posted on 02/21/2006 1:03:54 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going....)
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To: darbymcgill
Ok, I'll play your little game. Are you saying that anyone who believes that the Bible is the transcribed word of God and uses those words to support their world view is arrogant and delusional? (you left out liar, but I'll give you a pass, for obvious reasons)

No, I do not.
1,167 posted on 02/21/2006 1:05:06 PM PST by Dimensio (http://angryflower.com/bobsqu.gif <-- required reading before you use your next apostrophe!)
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To: spazzedgadfly
Elsie is a catagory 0 creationist

What??

I don't even make the LIST at 1130????


(Or have you LIED?? ;^)

1,168 posted on 02/21/2006 1:06:21 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going....)
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To: spazzedgadfly
Point is, I think it would be good to put a handle on some of these folks to save a lot of hassle and time week in and week out.

I mostly ignore 'em all. Saves time. Avoids flame-wars. That's what my tagline is all about.

1,169 posted on 02/21/2006 1:06:43 PM PST by PatrickHenry (Virtual Ignore for trolls, lunatics, dotards, scolds, & incurable ignoramuses.)
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To: spazzedgadfly
...unaffected by interaction with opponents.

You err.

Sometimes I'm deeply wounded and slink off to lick 'em.

1,170 posted on 02/21/2006 1:07:28 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going....)
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To: dread78645
A nod and 'good morning' when passing on the street is always the polite thing to do.

I'll bear that in mind when it occurs.

1,171 posted on 02/21/2006 1:09:45 PM PST by Thatcherite (More abrasive blackguard than SeaLion or ModernMan)
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To: P-Marlowe
It is common courtesy to ping the person you are maligning.

Who; ME?

NAY!


NIV Romans 15:3
For even Christ did not please himself but, as it is written: "The insults of those who insult you have fallen on me."

1,173 posted on 02/21/2006 1:11:40 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going....)
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To: Elsie; CarolinaGuitarman
So much for Peer Review!

The whole point CG is making is that National Geographic jumped the gun when it should have waited for more peer review. Hopefully this (usually quality) popular mag learned its lesson from circumventing the peer review process. (Creation 'scientists' never seem to learn that lesson...)

In any case, good scientific magazines and journals retract errors when they are identified (which only serves to increase the accuracy of science over time). When are advocates of creationism going to start retracting some of these 542 long-since-identified inaccuracies and distortions? *

* The number 542 may not be exactly correct. Of course, creationist logic dictates that if this number is slightly off, then no statement made here contains any truth at all.

1,175 posted on 02/21/2006 1:12:58 PM PST by Quark2005 (Is Gould dead?)
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To: RightWhale

ok....


1,176 posted on 02/21/2006 1:13:36 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going....)
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To: PatrickHenry
(which is out of place in a science thread)

BooHoo!


Until someone ELSE brings it up, I think you see very little of 'Scripture' posted by me.

But say the secret word and the duck WILL descend!

1,178 posted on 02/21/2006 1:15:20 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going....)
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To: Dimensio; presently no screen name
No, I do not.

Ok then, from which part of the post did you logically infer that the poster was an arrogant, delusional liar?
1,179 posted on 02/21/2006 1:15:22 PM PST by darbymcgill
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To: PatrickHenry
I mostly ignore 'em all. Saves time.

He pings us minions and WE do the dirty work!!

--EvoDude <Evil_laugh_mode>

1,180 posted on 02/21/2006 1:18:08 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going....)
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