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Intelligent Design case decided - Dover, Pennsylvania, School Board loses [Fox News Alert]
Fox News | 12/20/05

Posted on 12/20/2005 7:54:38 AM PST by snarks_when_bored

Fox News alert a few minutes ago says the Dover School Board lost their bid to have Intelligent Design introduced into high school biology classes. The federal judge ruled that their case was based on the premise that Darwin's Theory of Evolution was incompatible with religion, and that this premise is false.


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KEYWORDS: biology; creation; crevolist; dover; education; evolution; intelligentdesign; keywordpolice; ruling; scienceeducation
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To: donh; P-Marlowe

The statement that was required to be read said absolutely nothing about all citizens in Dover being required to pay taxes to the local established church.


2,121 posted on 12/22/2005 7:15:25 AM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It!)
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To: Fester Chugabrew

Well, I'm jumping back out, because it truly is like talking to a wall!

"It may be silent in regard to origin, as well as other factors like "who is responsible," but it is a function of a designed thing ...."

You just directly contradicted yourself, within those 26 words...

You admit that the observation is silent as to origin, then you define its origin! The word 'designed' implies a designer, therefore it originated with a designer!


2,122 posted on 12/22/2005 7:17:48 AM PST by 2nsdammit (By definition it's hard to get suicide bombers with experience.)
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To: P-Marlowe

Would you object to a school board mandating teaching that astrology is a scientific alternative to astronomy, or voodoo as a scientific alternative to medicine?


2,123 posted on 12/22/2005 7:19:08 AM PST by js1138 (Great is the power of steady misrepresentation.)
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To: donh; Luis Gonzales
From the holding:

"Intelligent Design is an explanation of the origin of life that differs from Darwin’s view. The reference book, Of Pandas and People, is available for students who might be interested in gaining an understanding of what Intelligent Design actually involves.

With respect to any theory, students are encouraged to keep an open mind. The school leaves the discussion of the Origins of Life to individual students and their families. As a Standards-driven district, class instruction focuses upon preparing students to achieve proficiency on Standards-based assessments."

No curriculum involving ID. The statement makes it clear that ID/origin of life issues are a family issue.

That is the fact of the matter. Federal involvement is not warranted even before the discussion of whether ID is science or creationism, statism not withstanding. Once the Judge ignored that and set himself up as the peer review board rather than a constitutional scholar he became an activist despite his protests to the contrary.

2,124 posted on 12/22/2005 7:20:07 AM PST by jwalsh07
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To: P-Marlowe
The "establishment" clause is such a clear loser for those on the other side, that they will try to come up with an argument based on the "free exercise" portion.

Same thing, though. How did the statement in Dover prevent them from freely practicing their faith?

2,125 posted on 12/22/2005 7:20:54 AM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It!)
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To: js1138
Would you object to a school board mandating teaching that astrology is a scientific alternative to astronomy, or voodoo as a scientific alternative to medicine?

The school board mandated nothing. Let's stick to the facts. See the above post.

2,126 posted on 12/22/2005 7:21:23 AM PST by jwalsh07
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To: freedumb2003
We need to keep our principles about us. It can't be "Court agrees with us=Court Good" and "Court disagrees with us=Court Bad."

That is a sane a reasonable statment about principle and will not be tolerated by 90% of the people who post on this website.

In defense of FR having 10% of people who are intelligent, think ratioinally and are reasonable about principles is incredibly high.

2,127 posted on 12/22/2005 7:23:11 AM PST by Einigkeit_Recht_Freiheit ("A people that values its privileges above its principles soon loses both." - Dwight D. Eisenhower)
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To: P-Marlowe
Now get out your copy of the CONSTITUTION and then explain to me and all the lurkers exactly how simply making a statement that ID as a viable scientific alternative to the TOE is "an establishment of religion" as referenced in the first amendment.

It isn't, it never has been and it never will be despite what the statists among us claim. The only established religion in public schools is secular humanism. And the statists have no problem with that at all.

2,128 posted on 12/22/2005 7:23:57 AM PST by jwalsh07
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To: Virginia-American

To a new medical adviser, when he was 56 years old, Darwin summed up his problems in writing:

"Age 56-57. - For twenty-five years extreme spasmodic daily & nightly flatulence: occasional vomiting, on two occasions prolonged during months. Vomiting preceded by shivering, hysterical crying, dying sensations or half-faint. & copious and very palid urine. Now vomiting & every passage of flatulence preceded by ringing of ears, treading on air & vision. focus & black dots, air fatigues, specially risky, brings on the Head symptoms[,] nervousness when E[mma]. leaves me..."

Ralph Colp in "To Be In Invalid"

"I believe that the evidence shows that Darwin's feelings about his evolutionary theory were a major cause for his illness."

HYPOCHONDRIAC...and charlatan. It's long past time to sweep this trivial concept of life into the trashbin of history slong with his admirers.


2,129 posted on 12/22/2005 7:24:44 AM PST by eleni121 ('Thou hast conquered, O Galilean!' (Julian the Apostate))
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To: js1138; xzins; jude24
Would you object to a school board mandating teaching that astrology is a scientific alternative to astronomy, or voodoo as a scientific alternative to medicine?

I would object, but not on constitutional grounds. I would vote to remove the school board. I would use political influence to change it and not the courts.

BTW much of what we consider "medicine" is in fact "voodoo." In testing drugs the placebos are often found to be just as effective as the actual drugs.

2,130 posted on 12/22/2005 7:25:26 AM PST by P-Marlowe
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To: Einigkeit_Recht_Freiheit
That is a sane a reasonable statment about principle and will not be tolerated by 90% of the people who post on this website

So you agree that the fedguv has no business meddling in the affairs of local schools absent the infringement of an individuals rights?

2,131 posted on 12/22/2005 7:25:27 AM PST by jwalsh07
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To: jwalsh07

No, I agree with the statement that people of princple keep their principles and cherry pick their support based on a particular case. This is exactly what I wrote, nothing more.

Apparently reading is not your strong point.


2,132 posted on 12/22/2005 7:28:07 AM PST by Einigkeit_Recht_Freiheit ("A people that values its privileges above its principles soon loses both." - Dwight D. Eisenhower)
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To: Einigkeit_Recht_Freiheit
LOL, the answer of a condescending eunuch.
2,133 posted on 12/22/2005 7:32:00 AM PST by jwalsh07
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To: 2nsdammit
The word 'designed' implies a designer, therefore it originated with a designer!

One may stop at the implications and inference. It is the nature of science to be both reasonable and speculative. It may also be within the purview of science to pursue further details.

2,134 posted on 12/22/2005 7:33:40 AM PST by Fester Chugabrew
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To: eleni121
"HYPOCHONDRIAC...and charlatan. "

You are again positing things you can't and won't defend. How is he a charlatan? That means he is deliberately lying. Put up evidence he lied or back off your wild claims.

Now, please provide evidence for ANY of these things:

1) Darwin was a misanthrope
2) Darwin was a liar. (And not merely mistaken about something)
3) There were ever 500 theses about Piltdown man.

Why are you so afraid to provide ANY evidence for your assertions?

BTW, the consensus is that he suffered from a physical, not psychological, illness. Though it is obvious you are pleased to see any human being suffer like he did whatever the cause.
2,135 posted on 12/22/2005 7:34:37 AM PST by CarolinaGuitarman ("There is a grandeur in this view of life...")
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To: jwalsh07
the answer of a condescending eunuch

I guess getting to ad hominen so quickly is what kept you around so long. Actually, that is really sophmoric. You basically wrote that I have no balls. Apparently no desire to engage on a discussion of principle. I would rather lack balls than principle, so I guess I am up on you. For the record my previous response was somewhat of a grammatical mishmash, but I guess you didn't notice.

2,136 posted on 12/22/2005 7:38:40 AM PST by Einigkeit_Recht_Freiheit ("A people that values its privileges above its principles soon loses both." - Dwight D. Eisenhower)
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To: CarolinaGuitarman

Darwin------>HYPOCHONDRIAC...and charlatan

All inclusive terms...deal with it.


2,137 posted on 12/22/2005 7:39:16 AM PST by eleni121 ('Thou hast conquered, O Galilean!' (Julian the Apostate))
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To: Einigkeit_Recht_Freiheit
You're a clown. You tell me I can't read and then complain about ad hominem when I return in kind.

I asked you a simple damn question. Answer it or not but please stop the freaking whining.

2,138 posted on 12/22/2005 7:44:01 AM PST by jwalsh07
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To: eleni121
"All inclusive terms...deal with it."

YOU...liar, unwilling to provide ANY evidence for your claims.

Deal with it.

Now, about your claims:

1) Darwin was a misanthrope
2) Darwin was a liar. (And not merely mistaken about something)
3) There were ever 500 theses about Piltdown man.

Care to provide any evidence? :) Or are you going to keep making them with nothing to back them up except your wishes?
2,139 posted on 12/22/2005 7:44:14 AM PST by CarolinaGuitarman ("There is a grandeur in this view of life...")
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To: CarolinaGuitarman

You are one weird darwin fanatic...Too bad he's not around to sing kumbaya with you. He's "evolved" --- into the god of the loonie EVOS.


2,140 posted on 12/22/2005 7:49:36 AM PST by eleni121 ('Thou hast conquered, O Galilean!' (Julian the Apostate))
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