Intelligent Design case decided - Dover, Pennsylvania, School Board loses [Fox News Alert]

Fox News | 12/20/05

[snarks_when_bored]

Fox News alert a few minutes ago says the Dover School Board lost their bid to have Intelligent Design introduced into high school biology classes. The federal judge ruled that their case was based on the premise that Darwin's Theory of Evolution was incompatible with religion, and that this premise is false.

[conservative blonde]

Why don't you open your mind to the truth?

[eleni121]

Hmm how many frauds have there been in archeology?
.............................................

You sound like one, for example.

[My2Cents]

we're used to judicial tyranny by now. Oh that's right ... it's only permissible when you agree with the ruling.

My thought exactly. It's amazing how many comments I've seen agreeing with this decision, asserting that ID is some kind of threat to civilization as we know it, and yet ignoring that greater threat in accepting as valid a example of raw judicial power. I wonder why some of these people are on FR, because they certainly don't reflect conservative concerns about activitist judges.

[Dimensio]

I have seen many atheists defend slavery,

References?

[CarolinaGuitarman]

"Neo Darwinsts---neo neo darwinists...every time they are outed with their false claims they grasp onto other interpretations of the same flawed theory."

So, no evidence for your wild claims? Didn't think so.

"Those pesky Haeckel embryo drawings..."

Already discredited long ago, no longer used.

" and the incredible expanding beak of the Galapagos finch."

Excellent example of natural selection at work. No lie there.

"So much backtracking...so many lies. "

The lies were yours, when you said,

1) Darwin was a misanthrope
2) Darwin lied.
3) 500 PhD theses were written about Piltdown man.

You have refused to back any of these lies; in fact, you get abusive when asked to. Not very Christian of you.

"Lies lies lies."

Yes, your posts are filled with them. Your God cannot be happy with your shameful lying in His name.

[Dimensio]

Perhaps they're not your motives. I said "most"...thereby avoiding painting everyone with the brush. If you're opposition to ID isn't based upon an inherent hatred of God, congratulations.

"Most" implies majority. You'll have to support that claim with evidence, not claim that anyone who doesn't fit the bill is an "exception".

[Protagoras]

Context is everything.

[JCEccles]

Next up. Lie detector tests administered annually to school teachers to uncover whether they secretly harbor forbidden beliefs in science deemed unacceptable by the ACLU as adjudicated by the federal judiciary.

The comes the Inquisition to ferret out the all infidels in society who dare to question Darwinist dogma.

Now that a black-robed mullah in the federal judiciary has declared, with godlike authority, once and for all what what is and isn't science, a brave new world of unlimited enlightenment and progress is just around the corner.

Within ten years, we could be the Darwinist equivalent of the progressive intellectual paradise that is Iran.

[Lurking Libertarian]

Fraudulent placemarker.

[Dimensio]

The secularists - many here as well - are in full forward attack mode.

Indeed. Those mean, hateful secularists actually expecting you to support your claims with evidence rather than believing your lies outright.

[Dimensio]

Context is everything.

So when you said "I have seen many atheists defend slavery[...]", were you lying? If not, why are you running away for my request for you to substantiate the assertion?

[Dimensio]

That is how we got baby murder in this country. That is how we got slavery. That is how we get wealth redistribution.

Sounds like you're attacking it simply because you don't like the perceived consequences. Do you have any real arguments against it, or just more appeal to consequences fallacy?

[Coyoteman]

the only FReeper I've seen defend slavery was a creationist, who defended it based on the Bible....

This thread, beginning at post #375 (quickly removed, but included and discussed in subsequent posts): http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1498273/posts?q=1&&page=1#1

[CarolinaGuitarman]

Link doesn't work.

[eleni121]

You Evos need to support your lies first...that is after you make them and they are found out and then you have to backtrack.

Backtracking is what the ideology of EVO is all about.

[Coyoteman]

Bad link, try this: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1498273/posts?page=1,100

[eleni121]

Abusive? Just trying to help. The whole EVO bag and baggage is discredited. When an ideology cannot support itself because of all the frauds it has to "discredit" - then the whole shebang should go into the trash like Communism.

You guys are simply anachronistic and fixed in time - past time and past your time.

[Protagoras]

First you miss the context, then you make a muddled post on another topic.

Do you have a question for me or are you just wandering aimlessly among the posts?

If you have a straightforward question, by all means ask it. There is no need to jump to incorrect conclusions and wonder what I might mean.

[furball4paws]

I have read the paper. It is indeed a step forward, but not a giant step. Let me explain.

Nylon is:

[-CO-R-CO-NH-R'-NH-]_n

The researchers used nylon hexamer (n=6) as a substrate, but real nylon has n>6. So this bug, while it can eat nylon waste and small pieces from manufacture cannot handle the large polymer. It also has a very high K_m = 6x10^-3M meaning that it has very poor affinity for the nylon hexamer. However, selective mutation should be able to reduce the K_m and they also should be able to gradually increase the size of the oligomer substrate. This is the kind of thing that nature would do under natural conditions. The tough part of nylon isn't that an organism cannot hydrolyze the amide bond - that's a piece of cake, but the enzyme cannot get to the amide bond in a water insoluble polymer.

MRM - I think your original point is well taken and this is a nice example of evolution and some of the processes that can be involved. But this bug doesn't really degrade nylon, yet.

RWP - what's the usual "n" for nylon (my Merck Index doesn't say exactly)?

[CarolinaGuitarman]

"Abusive?"

Yes, abusive. You deal with requests for evidence in the same way someone else deals with people saying things about their mother. It's actually quite hysterical.

"When an ideology cannot support itself because of all the frauds it has to "discredit" - then the whole shebang should go into the trash like Communism."

Yes, which is exactly why creationism is doomed.

Why must you keep lying? Why can't you even attempt to back up your claims that

1) Darwin was a misanthrope
2) Darwin lied.
3) 500 PhD theses were written about Piltdown man.

??

Lying for God won't help you.