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Natalee Holloway - Case Discussion Extended Thread 16
Various News Outlets | 8/26/05

Posted on 08/26/2005 4:40:09 PM PDT by TexKat

Surinamese Deepak Kalpoe, 21, arrives to court in Oranjestad, Aruba, Friday, Aug. 26, 2005. Aruban police arrested Kalpoe and his brother Satish, 18, along with a third person according to government spokesman Ruben Trapenberg, saying he doesn't know if the arrests are connected to the disappearance of Natalee Holloway. The two brothers had been previously detained and released. (AP Photo/Pedro Famous Diaz)

Surinamese Satish Kalpoe, 18, front, gets in a car to go to court in Oranjestad, Aruba, Friday, Aug. 26, 2005. Two Surinamese brothers, Satish and Deepak Kalpoe, who had been detained and released in the disappearance of Natalee Holloway were arrested again Friday based on new evidence, officials said. The brothers were detained on suspicion of involvement, with unidentified 'other people,' in premeditated murder and rape, the prosecutor's office said. Person to the right is unidentified. (AP Photo/Farrah Boekhoudt)


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To: TexKat

"....giving Deepak film to be developed?"

might have been a mini CD with some of Freddy's sexy and/or violent gang pictures on it.....


301 posted on 08/27/2005 10:53:21 AM PDT by Vn_survivor_67-68
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To: truthluva

If C&C's is involved I don't think it would be just one bartender. I think the owners should be looked at. Seems strange that they have a website with a thread for people to show support for Natalee, a thread to link to the reward poster...but according to Beth, they wouldn't keep the physical reward poster up in their window.

I agree, the owners are involved. They'll want to keep the web site supporting Natalee as if they didn't that would be odd too. Wasn't Natalee warned before the trip not to go near C&C. They're well known!


302 posted on 08/27/2005 10:55:39 AM PDT by Lucky2 (Lucky2 loves the NY Yankees.)
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To: hummingbird

Were you referring to #182?


303 posted on 08/27/2005 10:56:15 AM PDT by Dark Skies ("The sleeper must awaken!")
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To: maggief
As I read further in the thread last night about the arrest of the other guy, I figured that out too. Still photo(s). How ghastly. My guess is that poor Beth has not seen the photo but it probably was described to her.

Perhaps they ripped her clothing in the shot, and that could help the case with a piece of the evidence they might have.

304 posted on 08/27/2005 10:57:47 AM PDT by Yaelle
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To: Vn_survivor_67-68

Was Deepak developing film of the naked girls at the internet cafe? Where does this leave the owner of the internet? Does he know what is going on in his place of business? Is there more than these young punks involved? Remember Jug stated that there was a conspiracy, a coverup, alibis. Jug also stated that there are many other Arubans that know what happened to Natalee. He stated earlier this week that if they do not come forth that he and Beth will.


305 posted on 08/27/2005 10:59:00 AM PDT by TexKat (Just because you did not see it or read it, that does not mean it did or did not happen.)
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To: Vn_survivor_67-68; truthluva; maggief; gg188; Lizarde; theophilusscribe
Mother confronts Aruba suspect

Under the guise of developing film, Beth Holloway showed up at the internet cafe where he works.

Also see my post # 305.

306 posted on 08/27/2005 11:07:19 AM PDT by TexKat (Just because you did not see it or read it, that does not mean it did or did not happen.)
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To: TexKat
Hi TK,

I assumed so, since she said she would be going back as she had plenty of film still to be developed.

Last night, I did explore several sites that have been linked before (I just didn't think I wanted to go there before).

The tickle sites are unusual to say the least. To see Rueben and Tito on the suspects links was a little surprising, not to mention some of the pictures.

The other site, the blog that basically laid out what seems to be the case for the arrests yesterday:

http://arubansecrets.blogspot.com/2005/07/dont-hate-player-hate-game.html

This blog was posted 7/21, and outlines almost to a T what we are hearing now.

The question I have now, was Charles Croes brought in not just because of cell phone call, but because of cell phone data transmission: a picture of Natalee, which is why Beth, Dave, and Jug know for certain Joran assaulted Natalee that night?

Who owns the Internet company, the servers? Therin lies the trail.

Was Joran's apartment used for these events? Does Freddy's house have a similar set up-house and separate apartment?
307 posted on 08/27/2005 11:10:19 AM PDT by Rusty Roberts (Aruba has a bad case of the VDS)
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To: TexKat

my best guess is that they would have been using digital cameras and thereby avoided the risk of developing film. I thought the packet Beth habded him was too small to have been a full-size CD, but about right for a mini.

Just imagine what it did to deepak (and all of them, for that matter) if Beth somehow obtained and then gave them a copy of some of their handiwork.....showing victims AND some perps!

It would sure set deepak (under surveillance) off to jabbering on the phone and in person to the others, wouldn't it?

whoops.....just what-iffing again, me, LOL

I


308 posted on 08/27/2005 11:12:40 AM PDT by Vn_survivor_67-68
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To: TexKat; theophilusscribe; truthluva
Translated at SM:

This is a comment from Jaime to Locoman on Locoman's Tickle page:
well e guy ta un un di mi dos miho amigonan e ta mane mi ruman anto nos tei pa otro anytime den bon y den malo corda riba e adventures nan de fefi beto & jojo kk loca hahahahahahah
TRANSLATION:
well this guy is one an of my two best amigonan this is my main brother then we fight for one another anytime in good and bad best on the adventures they with fefi beto & jojo kk loca hahahahahahah

from an ex of Joran Van der Sloot to Locoman:
TRANSLATION:
hooooode! lolz... next time I dont want the poor childs symbols :p hihihi, love you ! take care!! lolz *

http://www.scaredmonkeys.net/viewtopic.php?p=150461&highlight=amigonan+jaime#150461
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"... with fefi beto & jojo kk loca hahahahahahah"

CnC manager, Alberto Levy, goes by the nickname Beto.


Click his email address:

http://www.carlosncharliesaruba.com/info.htm
309 posted on 08/27/2005 11:20:32 AM PDT by maggief (No 'luffs)
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To: Malichi
I seem to recall servers in Denmark where one could anonymously send email and files. Its been years since I've read about it and at the time it was concerning how porn was routed worldwide. I suppose terrorists could do the same thing so possibly law enforcement has a better handle on these "hard to trace" transmission sites.

Interpol, or some entity similar, are you still out there?! Hope so. If international law doesn't earnestly investigate for these sites, they better "git-r-done!"
310 posted on 08/27/2005 11:23:46 AM PDT by hummingbird ("The world needs more Steel Magnolias like Beth Holloway.")
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To: Malichi

P.S. Think I'll check out Sam Spade, too!


311 posted on 08/27/2005 11:24:27 AM PDT by hummingbird ("The world needs more Steel Magnolias like Beth Holloway.")
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To: maggief
The General Manager of Carlos & Charlie's is Alberto Levy. Is he related to the Rafael Levy of Miami, Florida, who has reportedly been deeply involved in the worldwide online porn business, including child porn and "snuff" films?

getting pretty obvious that the boys could be bang bus type porn makers. entrepreneurs that is.

312 posted on 08/27/2005 11:28:34 AM PDT by alrea
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To: alrea

Check out post #309.


313 posted on 08/27/2005 11:30:55 AM PDT by maggief (No 'luffs)
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To: hummingbird

Sam Spade is free. It will suprise you.


314 posted on 08/27/2005 11:37:09 AM PDT by Malichi (!)
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To: maggief
has reportedly been deeply involved in the worldwide online porn business, including child porn

As I posted last night, it's my impression from reading several articles, that the Dutch are out of step with the US, UK and other Western countries when it comes to the internet, porn and the exploitation of women and children. Unless they have changed in the last few years the Dutch were consistently inclined to ignore the issue and/or protect those responsible.

If Joran, the Kalpoes, Freddy and who knows who were trading or selling pornographic images of women/girls on the internet I'm not certain under what circumstance the Dutch even consider this a crime. With adults they assume consent and with children they request that they be removed...it isn't until that request is ignored for the third time that they take action. (According to the earlier link I provided.)

315 posted on 08/27/2005 11:41:08 AM PDT by Dolphy
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To: Fritzy

Somebody quoted Jug as saying that rape/assault by Joran is "documented." So we figure there is a photo of Natalee violated in some way.


316 posted on 08/27/2005 11:45:31 AM PDT by Yaelle
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To: Dark Skies

GREAT find re the play!


317 posted on 08/27/2005 11:46:37 AM PDT by Yaelle
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To: Rusty Roberts
The question I have now, was Charles Croes brought in not just because of cell phone call, but because of cell phone data transmission: a picture of Natalee, which is why Beth, Dave, and Jug know for certain Joran assaulted Natalee that night?

The call to Beth/Jug was probably from Natalee herself. So I don't think she was taking photos, even if she found a photo cell phone to use to call for help. She surely wasn't "herself" at that time and wouldn't have thought to take photos, but how great it would be if she had. Just a WALL in the photo could have proved it was the Van der Sloot home.

More probably, Beth "knew" that night that her daughter had been in that home hours earlier because she heard that monkey in the background. Greta is an animal lover, but she may also have grown fond of the monkey that was helping Natalee tell her parents what happened to her.

Beth and Jug probably heard much later about a photo taken of Natalee during the assault, maybe found on the boys' cell phones or even the computers.

318 posted on 08/27/2005 11:56:19 AM PDT by Yaelle
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To: TexKat
Where does this leave the owner of the internet?

Did you earlier provide some information on the owner...some connection when the Greta husband/Twitty business relationship was circulating? As for remembering what Jug has said, we can add that they have questioned the number of attorneys involved several times as well. He seems to suggest or know that there are more people behind this then a bunch of teenagers.

319 posted on 08/27/2005 11:57:26 AM PDT by Dolphy
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To: Lucky2

I read something early on that Natalee's stepbrother, I assume Jug's son, who was familiar with Aruba had specifically told Natalee that Carlos and Charlie's was not a safe spot and not to hang out there. I wonder how long this reputation has been around.


320 posted on 08/27/2005 11:59:16 AM PDT by libsl (I'm just sayin'....)
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