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Natalee Holloway - Case Discussion Extended Thread 15
Various News Outlets | 8/19/05

Posted on 08/19/2005 7:02:03 AM PDT by TexKat

Profile of Natalee Holloway

Missing: Natalee Holloway participated in a trip with 125 seniors from Mountain Brook High School to Aruba in the Caribbean. In the early morning hours on May 30, 2005 Natalee was seen leaving a nightclub and getting into a vehicle. She failed to turn up Monday morning for her return flight home and she has not been seen since. Foul play is suspected in her disappearance.

Profile: Natalee Holloway was born on October 21, 1986 to Beth and Dave Holloway. She grew up in the close-knit community of Mountain Brook, a suburb of Birmingham, Alabama. She was very popular and respected by her classmates and had a reputation among peers at being very intelligent and focused on her future. She lived up to her reputation, graduating as an honors student from the Mountain Brook High School.

Extracurricular Activities: During Natalle's high school years she participated several extracurricular activities including: The American Field Service - A club which interacts with the foreign exchange students. Dorians Dance Team Future Business Leaders of America Mu Alpha Theta - Math honor society Natural Helpers - A peer based emotional support group. Outdoors Club Spanish Club Spanish Honor Society Spartan Pride - School pep group. TASC - Teens Actively Serving the Community

Future Goals: Natalee received a full scholarship to the University of Alabama. She planned to major in Pre-Med, in order to pursue her goal of being a pediatrician.


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To: Jrabbit

Fred Arendashi was one I read along with Freddy Zedan.

Weird. Friend and neighbor of Joran


2,241 posted on 08/26/2005 2:12:47 PM PDT by cajungirl (no)
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To: No Surrender No Retreat
Here's some inspiration for you and cousin Malichi. Image hosted by Photobucket.com

Yes, it's a blow up doll! (If Tito doesn't get a date on SM, maybe he can track one of these down!)

http://www.bigredtoybox.com/cgi-bin/toynfo.pl?fritoindex

2,242 posted on 08/26/2005 2:20:22 PM PDT by Mama25 (The only chaps a girl can trust are those she wears)
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To: cajungirl; All
New Theory...

JVDS hooks up with these girls for sex - He starts drugging them as most of them are not willing to go all the way with him. The Kalpoe brothers (and who knows who else) decided that they are going to drug a girl so that they can all have their way with her. Someone in the group decides to film it. So now there is a tape of some young girl being drugged and gag-raped by these 3 boys.

Joran decides to show this tape to one of the people who owns a casino. Maybe Joran is friends with this casino owner and knows that casino owner likes homemade porn and young girls. Joran strikes up a deal with the casino owner - Joran gets an open line of credit at the casino in which Joran does not have to pay back as long as Joran and his friends keeps making these little homemade porn movies. Everytime Joran comes up with a new homemade porn movie he gets XXXX amount of dollars added to his casino credit line.

Maybe other higher ups on the island also have taken a liking to Joran's little homemade porno movies. Many higher ups on the island have copies of Joran's little porn movie and there was plenty of them being made and Joran is getting his pockets lined with money from several higher up sources.

The girls (victims) are terrified to come forward since these little homemade movies are being made and paid for by many higher ups on the island.

Then comes Natalee - Joran decides they will drug and gang rape this pretty blond American girl and film it (premeditation) - something went wrong and Natalee fought back and one are all 3 of them killed her. Now they need to cover up the crime - a few calls and everything is taken care of - no body no crime. The problem is they had no idea that Natalee's mother would show up on the island and would refuse to leave the island until she had answers - then came the American media. (you all know the rest of the story).

If Joran or the other boys talk - then many people on the island will be exposed for them liking and buying (lining Joran's pockets with money and open credit lines) these little homemade porn movie that Joran has been making for some time now. Maybe the girls that have come forward now knowing that this story is not going away and that it has enough world media attention that they feel safe enough to come forward now.

FBI and most likely Natalee's parents have known about the little homemade movies pretty early on but they had to find out who the other victims were so that they could get them to talk. It is possible that ALE now has at least one of these little home made porn movies of Joran's. - Joran's father may be involved with it also as he also may have a taste for homemade porn even if his son is in it. The homemade movies could be taken or edited enough not show any faces in them.

Just another theory based on things I read  about some of the people who live on the island. Someone had to supply Joran with the ruffies - someone was playing Joran for these homemade porn movies - someone may have disposed of Natalee's body to help Joran out because they also did not want to be found out about.

Does Aruba want their dirty little pervert secret out so that whole world can hear and learn about it? - Aruba will not be able to keep it quiet if these girls gain the courage to speak up about what has been happening to them on the island.

2,243 posted on 08/26/2005 2:20:55 PM PDT by stlnative
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To: cajungirl

yes! Jossy on CC now...Fred Arendashi....Freddies alibi is that he was with Urine that night....LOL


2,244 posted on 08/26/2005 2:22:17 PM PDT by Jrabbit
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To: maggief

I didn't know that. That was both touching and a unique thing for Dru's Mom to do.


2,245 posted on 08/26/2005 2:22:38 PM PDT by Canadian Outrage (All us Western Canuks should separate from central Canada and join together with Alberta !)
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To: Dark Skies
...as I always do when reading Shango, I feel that he speaks with authority. The voice of authority cannot be faked. When a liar tries to speak with authority he still sounds like a liar.

Interesting. I've been searching for a word and "authority" comes as close as I can think of when I feel the tone of Shango's Riddle. Think I'll reread Shango from the first post forward....thanks, Dark Skies!

Hannity is about to have Dave Holloway on his radio broadcast...do you have access to Hannity's radio program?
2,246 posted on 08/26/2005 2:22:54 PM PDT by hummingbird ("The world needs more Steel Magnolias like Beth Holloway.")
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To: hummingbird
Hannity is about to have Dave Holloway on his radio broadcast...do you have access to Hannity's radio program?

I haven't listen to the radio in so long I don't even know where one is. I once listened over the internet, but my sound card decided to die.

Let me know if Dave drops a bombshell.

2,247 posted on 08/26/2005 2:28:59 PM PDT by Dark Skies (" For where your treasure is, there will your heart be also. " Matthew 6:21)
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To: maggief

You think Paulus may be one of them yet? (I can hope can't I, besides NOTHING about Aruba and this family surprises me)!!


2,248 posted on 08/26/2005 2:29:01 PM PDT by Canadian Outrage (All us Western Canuks should separate from central Canada and join together with Alberta !)
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To: Fritzy
So while I take a lot of time here (not as much as our leaders).. it is with the best intentions.. to learn, to act, to expand my prayers and to be with other people who share my values...

I share your sentiments, Fritzy.
2,249 posted on 08/26/2005 2:29:46 PM PDT by hummingbird ("The world needs more Steel Magnolias like Beth Holloway.")
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To: Mama25

Mama,
If it heads our way, the (convict) routine will come into play. I may have to fled, but I will be back on the almighty thread.

My In-law's have a computer at my disposal, so I want suffer from any FR out of contact blues.

Towing the line,
NSNR-TJ&TS


2,250 posted on 08/26/2005 2:31:04 PM PDT by No Surrender No Retreat
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To: truthluva
They could have been holding Natalee that night...perhaps alive, but also, she could have been taken back to his apartment the night before..with his neighbor (Freddie) assisting Joran with the details.. that may be where it is rumored that Natalee tried to call home.. or somewhere... but was interrupted.. remember.. "I don't know these people....".. also this would tie into the Monkey screeching background..if this is the case, perhaps with the pressure at hand and other evidence coming down the pike, Freddie decided to talk, which then would implicate everyone.. along with the young girls... the new reported victims, supporting that joran's drug and rape actions were actually one of Joran and company's "sports"...

I just keep thinking that the Prosecutor has something more than we or the "talking Aruban heads" know.. that surely, she is not that dense.. that she has been talking to the "Freddie" all this time, with Freddie offering alibis for Jordan, just waiting for the appropriate time...but then, that will match Aruban process and policies with my own standards.. which is a little loony..

So many pieces.. just another thought...

Cheers!
2,251 posted on 08/26/2005 2:31:45 PM PDT by Fritzy (Fritzy)
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To: libsl
Still I think if he really thought her body would never be found, why confess to anything?

Maybe that's where the reported tapes come in. Whether tapes exist or not I don't think has been proven. But, even if there aren't tapes, maybe JvdS and Kalpoes (2) can be convinced there are. We did hear, early in the "investigation" that there was a 14 year-old being gang raped on a tape...don't know if that was a certainty or not, either.
2,252 posted on 08/26/2005 2:34:29 PM PDT by hummingbird ("The world needs more Steel Magnolias like Beth Holloway.")
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To: Fritzy

Fritzy,
Thank you for the kind words.

Old Soldiers Never Die,
NSNR-TID


2,253 posted on 08/26/2005 2:35:36 PM PDT by No Surrender No Retreat
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To: Fritzy

Well that all fits so far. Joran's little apartment would make a nice little den for them to play in.


2,254 posted on 08/26/2005 2:36:27 PM PDT by truthluva ("Character is doing the right thing even when no one is looking" - JC Watts)
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To: Canadian Outrage

I'd like to be a fly on the wall at Cnc's tonight.

LOL


2,255 posted on 08/26/2005 2:46:22 PM PDT by maggief (No 'luffs)
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To: Canadian Outrage

They're going to have to change the name of the KIA to One Happy Jail!

I'm keeping my fingers crossed for MORE arrests.


2,256 posted on 08/26/2005 2:49:34 PM PDT by maggief (No 'luffs)
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To: Mama25

Mama,
I think you have found Tito's true love. Maybe he grew tired of those blow-up (male) love dolls from "Lawrence Research."

You have found Tito's, love for life. The Magnifico, "Frito Lay Bandito."
There's a whole in the moon,
NSNR-ILT80's


2,257 posted on 08/26/2005 2:50:02 PM PDT by No Surrender No Retreat
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To: stlnative

Sounds plausible

I'd be looking for people/person within their circle who has a professional video type studio or equipment. Could be that they just (secretly) down load these XXX movies on the internet and charge people to see these vile images providing a world of income for the group to split.

Thousands of girls could have been victims of these guys.


2,258 posted on 08/26/2005 2:50:45 PM PDT by juzcuz
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To: Canadian Outrage

Do you think there are remains, wouldn't the vast ocean be an obvious place? Just curious


2,259 posted on 08/26/2005 2:55:33 PM PDT by mel
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To: MAWG

I agree Mawg, I also prefer Mexico!! There are many beautiful tropical places to go that are a lot safer than these God forsaken Islands.


2,260 posted on 08/26/2005 2:57:43 PM PDT by Canadian Outrage (All us Western Canuks should separate from central Canada and join together with Alberta !)
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