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Natalee Holloway - Case Discussion Extended Thread 15
Various News Outlets | 8/19/05

Posted on 08/19/2005 7:02:03 AM PDT by TexKat

Profile of Natalee Holloway

Missing: Natalee Holloway participated in a trip with 125 seniors from Mountain Brook High School to Aruba in the Caribbean. In the early morning hours on May 30, 2005 Natalee was seen leaving a nightclub and getting into a vehicle. She failed to turn up Monday morning for her return flight home and she has not been seen since. Foul play is suspected in her disappearance.

Profile: Natalee Holloway was born on October 21, 1986 to Beth and Dave Holloway. She grew up in the close-knit community of Mountain Brook, a suburb of Birmingham, Alabama. She was very popular and respected by her classmates and had a reputation among peers at being very intelligent and focused on her future. She lived up to her reputation, graduating as an honors student from the Mountain Brook High School.

Extracurricular Activities: During Natalle's high school years she participated several extracurricular activities including: The American Field Service - A club which interacts with the foreign exchange students. Dorians Dance Team Future Business Leaders of America Mu Alpha Theta - Math honor society Natural Helpers - A peer based emotional support group. Outdoors Club Spanish Club Spanish Honor Society Spartan Pride - School pep group. TASC - Teens Actively Serving the Community

Future Goals: Natalee received a full scholarship to the University of Alabama. She planned to major in Pre-Med, in order to pursue her goal of being a pediatrician.


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To: TexKat
hmmmm, they were set up. I am a cynic by nature, and the so called suspension of the warden is for PR, imo.

What does this remind you of? How about the day they announced very early the case was solved, and there would be an announcement shortly?

Then it was: never mind, pretend that didn't happen.

The natives are restless.

Tito makes his gross statement on the Internet, MSNBC is set up, all leading up shortly to the unfairness for poor Joran...., who, after all, was a minor at the time....

I'm gonna be sick.
1,621 posted on 08/25/2005 2:04:32 PM PDT by Rusty Roberts (Aruba has a bad case of the VDS)
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To: truthluva
Guess who Tito's brother is? None other than Garrick Lacle who works advertising for CnC... hmmm.. what do you Monkeys think of that?]

Maybe that's why he thinks she's a slut -- most girls in there probably are. He doesn't understand protected American teens on a special weekend abroad.

1,622 posted on 08/25/2005 2:06:22 PM PDT by Yaelle
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To: Yaelle

Perfect slogan!


1,623 posted on 08/25/2005 2:11:57 PM PDT by RGVTx
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To: rolling_stone
RS, I think you've hit on the biggest difference between the United States' justice system and the Aruban/Dutch justice system.

Most of it is done in print.

I think we keep waiting for some flashy lawyer who is the master of the public relations campaign to emerge but most of these people are brainiacs who are masters of the written word. They don't have to play to a jury or to the public from which a jury may be selected. They only have to make the best written argument.

This is the reason for all of the secrecy. Their justice system is epitome of deals made in the smokey back-room. Nothing is out in the open because it doesn't have to be. Public opinion means nothing to these people and I believe that is why they can't or won't see why this is such a PR debacle.

This is also why Joran has so many lawyers. They're researching and writing. All they have to do is sway the opinion of one man and doing this by bashing the victim, victim's family, etc. is all right in their minds because the judge is only going to look at their briefs from a legal standpoint and there lies the problem. In the US Joran would be convicted by a jury of his peers on the most minute piece of circumstantial evidence because of his lies and arrogance.

On Aruba none of that will come into play.

Just an observation on my part. Now I'll crawl back under my rock.

TAW

1,624 posted on 08/25/2005 2:23:33 PM PDT by Malichi (!)
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To: Malichi

From SM:

Souza on Crier: APPARENTLY there is physical evidence of Joran sexually abusing natalie: thats it. no details.


1,625 posted on 08/25/2005 2:26:37 PM PDT by RGVTx
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bookmark


1,626 posted on 08/25/2005 2:30:54 PM PDT by ftriggerf
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To: Malichi

The "International Court" and the other world proceedings in "The Hague" are basically the same system. The ramifications of what you described in your post are immense, IMO.


1,627 posted on 08/25/2005 2:32:30 PM PDT by Vn_survivor_67-68
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To: Vn_survivor_67-68
We gripe and bitch about the media but could you imagine what it would be like if everything was done in secret.

Wait a minute...the brothels and pot-clubs of Amsterdam are coming to mind.

I don't mean to be corny but we are truly blessed to live in this country of ours. I am always in awe of the genius of our founding fathers.

TAW

1,628 posted on 08/25/2005 2:37:13 PM PDT by Malichi (!)
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To: looney tune

bookmark.


1,629 posted on 08/25/2005 2:44:00 PM PDT by looney tune
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To: rolling_stone

"I think they are offended by the spotlight being put on their "happy island" imagine allegedly three girls date raped by Joran, several others report being sexually assaulted by others when they visited Aruba, and the two missing person cases also being reviewed..all this was brought to light by the media and natalee's disappearance..we now know Aruba is not crime free and people are forewarned. ""

I agree Rolling_stone! In addition, I believe the so called authorities are offended by the Twitty's detective work. After all, those in power in Aruba, thought the case was *solved/covered-up*, imo, when they arrested the two security guards. If not for the Holloway and Twitty family involvement, I have little doubt Juran would be free to run the streets, while the security guards sat in jail, awaiting a conviction in the disappearance/murder of Natalee.

I'm grateful for all the support Natalee's family has received, be it from the media, friends and family, or even strangers like us - who can, at the very least, pray for them.


1,630 posted on 08/25/2005 2:44:10 PM PDT by Pepper777
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To: RGVTx

I would bet that it is something that has been reported on then retracted, saying it has nothing to do with Natalee.


1,631 posted on 08/25/2005 3:12:11 PM PDT by ftriggerf
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To: elli1
BHT's visit to the internet cafe/ Deepak Kalpoe is where I think they (BHT and NBC) really crossed the line...wading into witness tampering and attempting to bribe a witness territory.

This really seems to miss the point...she went there to beg for information to find her daughter. And why you and others here believe that she should subordinate this instinct (one of the most basic) to the dictates of a justice system that has proved unworthy is beyond puzzling.

1,632 posted on 08/25/2005 3:27:42 PM PDT by Dolphy
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To: All
Dan

Arlene Ellis Schipper :

I don't think that MSNBC is that naive that they would film someone in prison without that person's permission. This is not a private prison. The warden is the primary problem at fault, but MSNBC is not that naive.

1,633 posted on 08/25/2005 3:28:07 PM PDT by TexKat (Just because you did not see it or read it, that does not mean it did or did not happen.)
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To: justche

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1,634 posted on 08/25/2005 3:40:13 PM PDT by justche (No one can go back and make a brand new start, any one can start now and make a brand new ending)
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To: Malichi; Andy'smom; NCjim; Deguello; LegalEagle61; sissyjane; antceecee; ruoflaw; Mare; cyborg; ...
Latest developments in Aruba (Thursday 25-August) Hasibokos

On Tuesday the director of KIA (local prison), Freddy Maduro, granted permission to the NBC news crew to enter KIA and film the institute from the inside as he gave them a tour. NBC was able film Joran van der Sloot in his underwear while inside his cell without asking for his permission. The Van der Sloot family did not take this development lightly as the went to court yesterday to ban the broadcast and distribution of the video material. The judge ruled that the video material is not to be broadcasted. Each time NBC shows the images/video they will be fined about 500.000 $. The fine was set at 1 million guilders. This is less than half a million US, so considering how much money a big network as NBC has, they may just show the images a couple of times to get the ratings a pay the fines without a hitch. According to various reports the director of KIA, Maduro, has been suspended, pending the investigation. He has not informed his superiors about the NBC tour beforehand and considering that this is a high profile case he should have consulted with Justice Minister, Rudy Croes, before letting NBC in.

1,635 posted on 08/25/2005 3:41:05 PM PDT by TexKat (Just because you did not see it or read it, that does not mean it did or did not happen.)
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To: TexKat

Wonder what would happen if they sold it to a competitor?


1,636 posted on 08/25/2005 3:43:25 PM PDT by justche (No one can go back and make a brand new start, any one can start now and make a brand new ending)
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To: Abigail Adams
Oh, yes, a ship loses steerage and it belongs on this thread because?

Why, because it's a DUTCH ship, of course!

Those damn dutch! First they kidnap and kill all our teenage daughters, then they start trashing our ports!

1,638 posted on 08/25/2005 3:44:12 PM PDT by Trust but Verify (Get over yourselves!)
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To: Canadian Outrage

Another thing Ted said was that it is crystal clear the authorities have no evidence. This case will never be solved. Never. The Holloways should just go home, memorialize their lost daughter, and try to go on with their lives. There is nothing they are going to be able to do to produce evidence that doesn't exist. It's unfortunate, but it's the truth.


1,640 posted on 08/25/2005 3:52:34 PM PDT by Trust but Verify (Get over yourselves!)
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