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Natalee Holloway - Case Discussion Extended Thread 15
Various News Outlets | 8/19/05

Posted on 08/19/2005 7:02:03 AM PDT by TexKat

Profile of Natalee Holloway

Missing: Natalee Holloway participated in a trip with 125 seniors from Mountain Brook High School to Aruba in the Caribbean. In the early morning hours on May 30, 2005 Natalee was seen leaving a nightclub and getting into a vehicle. She failed to turn up Monday morning for her return flight home and she has not been seen since. Foul play is suspected in her disappearance.

Profile: Natalee Holloway was born on October 21, 1986 to Beth and Dave Holloway. She grew up in the close-knit community of Mountain Brook, a suburb of Birmingham, Alabama. She was very popular and respected by her classmates and had a reputation among peers at being very intelligent and focused on her future. She lived up to her reputation, graduating as an honors student from the Mountain Brook High School.

Extracurricular Activities: During Natalle's high school years she participated several extracurricular activities including: The American Field Service - A club which interacts with the foreign exchange students. Dorians Dance Team Future Business Leaders of America Mu Alpha Theta - Math honor society Natural Helpers - A peer based emotional support group. Outdoors Club Spanish Club Spanish Honor Society Spartan Pride - School pep group. TASC - Teens Actively Serving the Community

Future Goals: Natalee received a full scholarship to the University of Alabama. She planned to major in Pre-Med, in order to pursue her goal of being a pediatrician.


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From Greta's Show

Deepak says he got home at around 1:50am (internet records show that Deepak was online at around 2:00am per Satish's lawyer and that Deepak was logged in until after 3:00am as Satish went right to bed after he and his brother got home at about 1:50am )- a call came in from Joran to Deepak at around 2:40am - Joran tells Deepak that he left Natalee on the beach and that he was going to walk home. Joran then calls or text messages Deepak a little after 3:00am to tell him he made it home. (phone records show that Joran was at home or near his home during this call.)

Per the lawyer it would have only taken Deepak 5 to 10 minutes to drive home from the beach. So if true he left Joran and Natalee at about 1:40am to 1:45am to drive home.


1,181 posted on 08/23/2005 7:35:27 PM PDT by stlnative
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To: maggief

I heard Kock say that too. Poor kid, she didn't know what she was getting into, that's all I can think. Who knows what was in her drinks at that point, or how many she had had herself.

Heard something else that was new to me too: that the 2:40 am phone call that Joran placed was apparently made from somewhere north of the hotels area.

How does that square with PvdS saying he picked Joran up at 11 pm, hours earlier than that?


1,182 posted on 08/23/2005 7:38:30 PM PDT by texasbluebell
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To: Canadian Outrage; Malichi; Andy'smom; NCjim; Deguello; LegalEagle61; sissyjane; antceecee; ...
On The Record:

Aruban Court denies Joran defense appeal for evidence.

David Koch:

Records show that Deepak was at home on the internet at 2 a.m. Satish was home asleep. There are phone records that show that Joran called Deepak around 2:40 am (to tell Deepak that he was walking home and that he had left Natalee on the beach),and then again at 3 a.m. (to let Deepak know he was home. Joran's location at the times of the phone calls was approximately north of the hotels. There is no hard evidence that there has been a murder, just the last known person that was with Natalee cannot give a logical explanation.

Joran did not give Deepak and Satish any more info of what transpired after the Kalpoe brothers left him and Natalee on the beach. Paulus explained the procedures of what would transpire in court. Satish went home with Deepak. Some of the MB students told Natalee to get out of the car when she was in Deepak's car and Natalee said no, that is on the record. Natalee was laying on the bar and belly shots were being poured on her naval in C&C.

1,183 posted on 08/23/2005 7:39:12 PM PDT by TexKat (Just because you did not see it or read it, that does not mean it did or did not happen.)
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To: Canadian Outrage
"7. For they have sown the wind, and they shall reap the whirlwind..."

Hosea 8:7

My favorite is this one though:

"The more pure and righteous a moral being is, the more squarely must he antagonize, the more intensely must he hate, the more surely must he punish impurity and unrighteousness. Volcanic fire inside the globe and forked lightning outside of it are faint emblems of Holy Wrath. When a thoroughly bad man stands revealed only lightning is logical. He that sows the wind ought to reap the whirlwind."

Roswell Dwight Hitchcock

1,184 posted on 08/23/2005 7:41:22 PM PDT by Malichi (!)
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On The Record

Tito Lacle:

Fred Golba will have to leave on the 28th if he does not get more help and equipment. One or two charges may be filed against Joran in order to keep him for another 30 days, not comfortable in stating what the charges will be.

1,185 posted on 08/23/2005 7:48:46 PM PDT by TexKat (Just because you did not see it or read it, that does not mean it did or did not happen.)
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To: TexKat

Well, that wraps it up in a neat little package doesn't it?

I guess we can all go home.


1,186 posted on 08/23/2005 7:51:04 PM PDT by Howlin
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To: Howlin

Yeah, what does this do to the gardner's statement. Is there another car that looks like Deepak's on the island? What 3 people did the gardner see?


1,187 posted on 08/23/2005 7:59:24 PM PDT by TexKat (Just because you did not see it or read it, that does not mean it did or did not happen.)
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To: Howlin

Yeah, what does this do to the gardner's statement. Is there another car that looks like Deepak's on the island? What 3 people did the gardner see?


1,188 posted on 08/23/2005 8:00:34 PM PDT by TexKat (Just because you did not see it or read it, that does not mean it did or did not happen.)
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To: TexKat

Help! I didn't get to see anything on TV tonight. What's the news??


1,189 posted on 08/23/2005 8:00:36 PM PDT by truthluva ("Character is doing the right thing even when no one is looking" - JC Watts)
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To: Howlin

Yeah, what does this do to the gardner's statement. Is there another car that looks like Deepak's on the island? What 3 people did the gardner see?


1,190 posted on 08/23/2005 8:01:44 PM PDT by TexKat (Just because you did not see it or read it, that does not mean it did or did not happen.)
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To: TexKat

Tex Kat---do you know---on these Natalee threads or on the blogs or wherever---where the best info is about the calls made that night to Alabama from Aruba on Natalee's phone? Thx.


1,191 posted on 08/23/2005 8:03:50 PM PDT by gg188
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To: TexKat

Tex Kat---do you know---on these Natalee threads or on the blogs or wherever---where the best info is about the calls made that night to Alabama from Aruba on Natalee's phone? Thx.


1,192 posted on 08/23/2005 8:03:50 PM PDT by gg188
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To: TexKat

BOO!!!!


Better now?


1,193 posted on 08/23/2005 8:03:56 PM PDT by RGVTx
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To: TexKat

Wasn't the pond where the gardner said he saw them at just north of the hotels? If both the 2:40 and 3:00 calls came from the area just north of the hotels, wouldn't it show Juran didn't walk home, but was still in that area?


1,194 posted on 08/23/2005 8:04:01 PM PDT by imaketypos
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I understood it that the 2:40 am call from Joran shows he was north of the hotel strip. Then the call or text message at a little after 3:00 am shows that Joran was either at home or was near his home. ("phone" records show this per Satish's lawyer)

So it is possible that Joran jump online shortly after 3:00am and sent an internet message to Deepak that he was home. It could be that this was not an actual call or an actual cell phone text message sent from a cell phone but one made through a computer.

If all of this true... how do we or they know that Deepak was the one online and that it was not Satish while Deepak was still out with Joran?

Maybe Satish was the one that walked home that night. Maybe Satish was the one who got the 2:40 am call because Satish may have had Deepak's phone and Deepak may have used Joran's cellphone while he was with Joran. (Deepak may have been calling his own cellphone which Satish may have had while Satish was home and that Deepak was actually using Joran's cell phone.)

Maybe Satish knew or learned that something was up while he was at home with Deepak's cell phone during that 2:40am call and maybe he knew that Deepak and Joran were trying to clean up the mess they made. Satish may have asked Joran to call him as soon as Deepak dropped Joran off at Joran's home, so that Satish would know that Deepak was on his way home. Maybe Deepak is the clean up "guy" for Joran and maybe he took care of the clean up after he dropped Joran off at around 3am. This would have Satish wondering when Deepak would make it back home after Deepak dropped Joran off. Let's say the plan was for Deepak to take her somewhere after he dropped Joran off. Satish would know about how long this would take Deepak and what time he could expect Deepak to return home since he would know the time Deepak dropped Joran off at home. If Deepak didn't show up back home by a certain time then it be possible that Deepak was caught taking care of getting rid of Natalee. Then it would be on to plan B or they would know they were caught that early in the game.


1,195 posted on 08/23/2005 8:04:11 PM PDT by stlnative
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To: TexKat; Howlin

Anyone hear Michael Medved this afternoon?

Had a long diatribe about how 'racist' the media is to concentrate only on beautiful victims "like Natalee Halliday." Couldn't fathom why the continued interest.

Never heard him so obtuse. Grrrr.


1,196 posted on 08/23/2005 8:06:54 PM PDT by b9
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To: TexKat
Yes, and Satish's lawyer just neatly got in:

Natalee doing navel jello shots at C&C---slime the victim, no real purpose for this other than slime.
Locked in his client's timeline-Satish is very quiet, even separate from Deepak. If I were Deepak, I'd watch out.
Also locked in the fact that the cell phone call from Joran to Deepak at 3:00am saying Joran had made it home...was actually from the north, close to the Mariott and not Joran's home.

Are we beginning to see divide and conquer? Every word he uttered was for a specific reason, there was nothing casual about this man.

As I said last night, the gloves are off. Things are heating up.
1,197 posted on 08/23/2005 8:07:20 PM PDT by Rusty Roberts (Aruba has a bad case of the VDS)
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To: truthluva; Howlin

Sorry for the repeats, my computer is doing crazy things. truthluva I can't help. I have got to catch up myself. I did not catch most of the news shows either. Hannity and Colmes was going off when I got home.


1,198 posted on 08/23/2005 8:11:06 PM PDT by TexKat (Just because you did not see it or read it, that does not mean it did or did not happen.)
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To: maggief
Actually, I think the lawyer said "she was laying on the bar and they were drinking shots from her navel."

A very specific comment. From what I've seen in video clips from C & C, nothing would surprise me.

1,199 posted on 08/23/2005 8:13:17 PM PDT by varina davis
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To: stlnative
Then the call or text message at a little after 3:00 am shows that Joran was either at home or was near his home. ("phone" records show this per Satish's lawyer)

Not sure. Hopefully the transcript will be posted tomorrow. At this point I am so tired of the speculations I could just spit. This case is long past due to be solved or at least some concrete answers to the parents of Natalee Holloway.

1,200 posted on 08/23/2005 8:15:44 PM PDT by TexKat (Just because you did not see it or read it, that does not mean it did or did not happen.)
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