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What It Costs to Live Well - Northeast
Forbes ^

Posted on 07/04/2005 9:04:00 PM PDT by Selkie

It's a question that plagues the successful and the aspiring: How much does a family need to net each year to lead a comfortable affluent life?

We are not talking about great riches; there are millions of Americans who work hard to be able to afford the best for their families--and themselves--but who don't entertain notions of owning private jets, sprawling country estates or closets full of the latest fashions. Their goals are more grounded: a good education for their children, a nice house, a weekend place, the occasional trip, a night out once a week and a little money in the bank.

We attempted to tally what it would take for a family of four to live well in different parts of the country, starting with every state in the Northeast. We looked at one city in each state and factored in a range of costs, including housing, cars, education, dining and health care.

So what does it cost to live well? We have the answer--or at least some ballpark figures. And it isn't cheap.

Our totals ranged from about $215,000 (for Portland, Me.) to a whopping half-a-million dollars (for, not surprisingly, New York City). And that's the net of local, state and federal taxes, and includes very little savings. Less-urban upper New England tended to be the least expensive place to live well, while medium-sized cities such as Baltimore and Philadelphia ranked in the middle, and the big metropolises and surrounding areas, such as New York, Boston and Greenwich, Conn., were tops when it came to costs.

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TOPICS: Heated Discussion
KEYWORDS: americandream; gauche; income; lavish; thegoodlife; upperclass; uppermiddle
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To: Selkie

Living well in New York City or any City is impossible at any price.


41 posted on 07/04/2005 10:09:31 PM PDT by Age of Reason
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To: Zeppo

How many folks actually live this kind of lifestyle is a fair question. You hit the top 10% of the income distribution (households) at about $105-110,000 and the top 5% at about $150-160,000. That doesn't get you anywhere close to the lifestyle Forbes is projecting here. I don't know how many families are in the $400-plus range, but however you crunch the numbers, the Forbes story sets a standard of "living well" that excludes well over 95% of American households.


42 posted on 07/04/2005 10:10:17 PM PDT by sphinx
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To: Calpernia
NJ is just too insane.

I really do have so much sympathy for any family who has to stay here.

The real estate taxes are just too much to deal with.

Would rather live back in PA., use money I save on taxes to rent a shore place or visit NYC occasionally.

43 posted on 07/04/2005 10:11:03 PM PDT by Selkie (I)
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To: Paul Atreides

Our home in NC was 65,000. it was a Historic Victorian on an acre.

Our home in NJ is more than 3x that on 100 x 50 postage stamp of property with 12,000 in property taxes. Our children have to go to private school on top of that.


44 posted on 07/04/2005 10:14:41 PM PDT by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: Paul Atreides

I'm afraid that my husband and I are in the midst of doing exactly what you described for the simple reason that now we can afford to spend our money on ourselves, rather than tuition and other kid things. Also we found the perfect piece of property which demands a large home to make the most of the property. It's just a good long term investment. Maybe we're nuts, but I can't wait until the house is finished. It's on fifteen acres at the end of a private road with 700' of lake front (a small bass fishing lake).


45 posted on 07/04/2005 10:16:24 PM PDT by Eva
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To: Selkie

I guess it depends on what you consider "well". Everything seemed over the top to me.


46 posted on 07/04/2005 10:18:42 PM PDT by Smokin' Joe (Grant no power to government you would not want your worst enemies to wield against you.)
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To: Selkie
It's known as "old money", not "old riches" and anyone who really is "old money", knows that; even many people who aren't.

And no, buying some generic supermarket brand, doesn't usually fit in with an "old money" chic. Unless,of course, it's the shabby chicness of of old money with only memories of the good life, from many decades past. The old guard, as well as the newer ones, of old money ranks, do it the old fashioned way...they use things until they fall apart.LOL

Those from old money,usually inherit the family summer house/s; they don't buy them.

But the articles aren't talking about old new money...it's about their perceived view of what constitutes an upper middle class lifestyle.

47 posted on 07/04/2005 10:19:35 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: Capriole

We own used cars. No car loans ^-^ !!!


48 posted on 07/04/2005 10:19:46 PM PDT by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: jveritas
Not if they are sending one child to a good private school ( non-parochial ) and another to a private college, they can't.
49 posted on 07/04/2005 10:21:31 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: little jeremiah; hiredhand; SLB; Jeff Head

Living well doesn't mean throwing your money down one......:o)

Stay safe !


50 posted on 07/04/2005 10:22:53 PM PDT by Squantos (Be polite. Be professional. But, have a plan to kill everyone you meet. ©)
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To: GSlob

Actually, no. The lower reaches, in the Northeast and in Chicago, of upper middle classdom, is around $300,000 - $400,000 for a family of 3 or 4.


51 posted on 07/04/2005 10:24:57 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: Eva

Let me know how it goes! I like talking about building homes. I'm a big Bob Vila/This Old House/Hometime fan.


52 posted on 07/04/2005 10:25:29 PM PDT by Paul Atreides (The Democrats have the right mascot; everyone knows what comes out of an ass)
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To: ChicagoHebrew

Correct!


53 posted on 07/04/2005 10:26:39 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: nopardons
It's known as "old money", not "old riches" and anyone who really is "old money", knows that; even many people who aren't.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

LOL !

Are you trying to be rude or just cheeky ?

Everyone from a lowly prole to an upper upper knows the expression "old money"

I was putting a cutesy spin on as not to sound noxious.

LOL

54 posted on 07/04/2005 10:30:01 PM PDT by Selkie (I)
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To: Selkie
Who says that to 'live well' you have to have two new import cars in the driveway, and have a 'weekend place' somewhere? We live well, and don't have either of those things. We also don't eat out more than three times a month, including fast food. I like to cook, and don't mind doing. Besides, except for a couple of places that we like, I don't care much for restaurant food anyway! We have four kids, one of whom is in law school (he's getting loans), one is in grad school (has a fellowship now, but has loans from undergrad) one homeschooled, but attending Community college and graduates next year, and one in a private all boys school.

Most of our 'disposable' income has been for the kids' schooling for the last twenty years. We got them through high school, and after that, we co-signed loans, but they're paying them back. We told them that we wanted SOME money on which to retire, and we paid the bills up to college, so after that they're paying for it themselves!

Sir SuziQ makes a good income, but we're not rich my any stretch of the imagination, except of course if it belongs to a liberal Democrat, then we're positively ROLLING in the dough. ;o)

55 posted on 07/04/2005 10:30:11 PM PDT by SuziQ
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To: Selkie

We were in PA this weekend. VERY nice! Reminded me of what Central Jersey use to look like.

We can't move anywhere at the moment. Have extended family firmly planted here that we need and want to be around.


56 posted on 07/04/2005 10:31:07 PM PDT by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: nopardons

Hmm... I was under the impression that a garden variety VP on 200-250K before taxes (+ whatever investment income) clearly qualified for upper-middle status.


57 posted on 07/04/2005 10:33:58 PM PDT by GSlob
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To: Selkie

When I hear the term "old money," I think of those flimsy, faded, wrinkly one dollar bills, that I cannot push into the bill slot of a drink machine. It would be easier to try and push pizza dough into the machine.


58 posted on 07/04/2005 10:34:17 PM PDT by Paul Atreides (The Democrats have the right mascot; everyone knows what comes out of an ass)
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To: Knitting A Conundrum

It's an upper middle class life style and they didn't even talk about boarding school. :-)


59 posted on 07/04/2005 10:36:10 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: Paul Atreides

;-)


60 posted on 07/04/2005 10:36:34 PM PDT by Selkie (I)
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