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Natalee Holloway - Case Discussion Extended Thread 5
Various News Outlets | 7/4/05

Posted on 07/04/2005 6:39:22 PM PDT by TexKat

Mountain Brook High School graduate Natalee Holloway went missing May 30 during a senior trip to Aruba.

AP photo


TOPICS: Heated Discussion
KEYWORDS: aruba; bethholloway; boycottaruba; fubaruba; jossymansur; kalpoes; mariainecroes; natalee; nataleeholloway; rubentrapenberg; vandersloots
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To: hershey

Hmm, that's 'wrapped'.


701 posted on 07/05/2005 3:31:30 PM PDT by hershey
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To: hershey; the Deejay

I'd like to strap PVDS and JVDS to a polygraph machine. Of course, that won't happen. BTW, has the guy with the voice stress machine (for lack of the official term) come to any new conclusions?


702 posted on 07/05/2005 3:32:16 PM PDT by onyx (Pope John Paul II - May 18, 1920 - April 2, 2005 = SANTO SUBITO!)
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703 posted on 07/05/2005 3:32:26 PM PDT by BunnySlippers (••• ••• •••)
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To: hershey

He's gonna walk when the 58 more days
pass.

Whether her body's found or not.


704 posted on 07/05/2005 3:33:04 PM PDT by the Deejay (THE LADY DEEJAY)
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To: onyx

Interesting question...about the voice stress machine. I don't know. Haven't heard.


705 posted on 07/05/2005 3:33:12 PM PDT by hershey
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To: onyx

No, I've not seen the voice analyst
guy since the one demo he did on
tv w/PVDS voice.

It wouldn't hold up in court anyway.


706 posted on 07/05/2005 3:35:37 PM PDT by the Deejay (THE LADY DEEJAY)
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To: Andy'smom; sarasota; cyborg; kcvl; maggiefluffs; No Surrender No Retreat; Rippersnapper; ...
Is anyone paying any attention to what is going on in Aruba at the present. Do you wonder why our media is not showing us this, it is being shown on a local television station in Aruba.

Anti-US Media Demonstration?

Or are yall rehashing the rehashed rehashed.


707 posted on 07/05/2005 3:36:36 PM PDT by TexKat (Just because you did not see it or read it, that does not mean it did or did not happen.)
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To: TexKat

Is there an official protesting that is actually going on? I read that is MIGHT happen but haven't seen anything sense. Do you have any updates?


708 posted on 07/05/2005 3:39:02 PM PDT by truthluva
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To: hershey; the Deejay

Oh, I realize the stress machine's results are not admissible evidence, --- I just want to know what he determined.


709 posted on 07/05/2005 3:40:36 PM PDT by onyx (Pope John Paul II - May 18, 1920 - April 2, 2005 = SANTO SUBITO!)
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To: All
From SM:

This is really sad. There is a missing girl and we have people pointing fingers, people protesting, etc. Sad Sad SAD.

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This 5:00 demonstration will be remembered as Aruba's "Baghdad Bob" moment.

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There are about 50 people, more or less ten signs, 6 cops.

At least when I passed by.

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I can ASSURE you, that it's not the government tell us this. It's Nancy, Bill and Geraldo. TRUST ME ON THIS.

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710 posted on 07/05/2005 3:43:25 PM PDT by TexKat (Just because you did not see it or read it, that does not mean it did or did not happen.)
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To: TexKat
Do you wonder why our media is not showing us this

Actually, I wondered this very thing when you(?) first posted today.

Yesterday, I wondered why FNC wasn't showing us the media/theirs & ours, arguing at the court house.

Geraldo was in the midst of it, too.

711 posted on 07/05/2005 3:43:52 PM PDT by the Deejay (THE LADY DEEJAY)
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To: the Deejay

Fox had that wonderful forensic pathologist on last night, Dr. Michael Baden. He's very pessimistic about the chances of getting any forensic evidence at this late date even if they find Natalee's remains. The body, or what's left of it won't have flesh, probably won't have any skin or anything caught under fingernails. And that's another thing. Someone asked a while ago on FR, why hadn't the LE taken pictures of all three naked...to see if there were scratched. Evidently this wasn't done. If they put her in a footlocker, at least the bones would all be there, and if she was strangled, maybe that tiny hyoid bone in the neck would be broken and they could say that's how she died. (Obviously, if someone put her in a footlocker and dumped her in the ocean, it was murder.) Is Joran missing a footlocker? Or are the Kalpoe bros. missing a big box? The cops should have checked shovels in their garages, to see if they showed signs of recent use. If the car held sand in the truck, it might have matched sand on the shovel if they buried her. So much possible evidence lost. But kids blab, so in time, they'll (probably at a bar), brag about killing an American b...tch and getting away with it.


712 posted on 07/05/2005 3:44:44 PM PDT by hershey
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To: GarySpFc

Thank you for your kind suggestion, I would never have thought of that. Bless your heart! ;9)


713 posted on 07/05/2005 3:45:01 PM PDT by Ditter
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To: TexKat
This is a theory that has been floated from the very beginning, but it still nags at me all the time.

Why would a guy take a girl to the beach to make out (or to have sex or to rape her) when he has his very own apartment. It just doesn't pass the smell test. Particularly, if perhaps he had used a date rape drug to make her compliant. There are people walking on the beach and its sandy and hot. Not as ideal as an air-conditioned apartment. Not to mention the fact that his "mommie" (what kind of 18 y/o male calls his mother 'Mommie") is out of town and I'm sure his Dad turns a blind eye...boys will after all be boys.

I think all three boys said "the beach" to throw everyone off the trail. The answer probably lies in the carpet of Jurine's apartment...and the Aruba LE haven't even read about forensics and certainly have no first hand experience. I'd also bet the carpet has been shampoo'd within the last month.

714 posted on 07/05/2005 3:45:08 PM PDT by Dark Skies
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To: truthluva
Is there an official protesting that is actually going on? I read that is MIGHT happen but haven't seen anything sense. Do you have any updates?

Yes!! If you go back about 20 or so posts, I have been posting post from SM. They are our only source of info to what is happening on the ground at the present.

715 posted on 07/05/2005 3:46:46 PM PDT by TexKat (Just because you did not see it or read it, that does not mean it did or did not happen.)
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To: Lizarde
By the way there was something fishy Depak's lawyer said - he said the judge said there was no evidence of any crime - that they had no evidence against his clients...but the judge did continue the detention of Joran - if there was no evidence of a crime why didn't this same logic apply to Joran.....?

Maybe the judge was talking to the Kalpoe brothers lawyer and what he said pertained to them and not Sloot. Near as we can figure based on the stories coming out, the brothers lied to cover for Sloot. Lying is not a crime and they may not know why they needed to lie. But, Sloot on the other hand, has also changed his story and his explanation won't be so easy to explain.

Doesn't mean he murdered her, but it could mean that he is trying to avoid being charged with some crime. I'm guessing rape.

716 posted on 07/05/2005 3:48:25 PM PDT by Rippersnapper (Personal accountability doesn't stop with the other person.)
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To: TexKat

Anti-US demonstrations are the last thing this island needs. Demonstrations will kill the tourist trade for a very long time. Some reporters have said cancellations are flooding in, that the tourist trade is hemmoraghing. Other say, with a big bright phony smile, that everything's fine and hotels are all booked up! (Highly unlikely.)


717 posted on 07/05/2005 3:48:56 PM PDT by hershey
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To: hershey

Exactly! Dr. Baden concurs w/me.......



lol!!


718 posted on 07/05/2005 3:49:33 PM PDT by the Deejay (THE LADY DEEJAY)
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To: TexKat

The anti-US media demonstrations are an attempt to get our media to cover their demonstration. I hope Greta covers it, because it'll backfire on them.


719 posted on 07/05/2005 3:51:02 PM PDT by onyx (Pope John Paul II - May 18, 1920 - April 2, 2005 = SANTO SUBITO!)
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To: Dark Skies

Oh, I think both parents turn a
blindeye to what their sons do.

B/c partying, gambling, whatever..
seems to be the daily norm for
joran.

Also, his 15 yr. old brother is
considers himself a loverboy.


720 posted on 07/05/2005 3:51:55 PM PDT by the Deejay (THE LADY DEEJAY)
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