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Natalee Holloway - Case Discussion Extended Thread 5
Various News Outlets | 7/4/05

Posted on 07/04/2005 6:39:22 PM PDT by TexKat

Mountain Brook High School graduate Natalee Holloway went missing May 30 during a senior trip to Aruba.

AP photo


TOPICS: Heated Discussion
KEYWORDS: aruba; bethholloway; boycottaruba; fubaruba; jossymansur; kalpoes; mariainecroes; natalee; nataleeholloway; rubentrapenberg; vandersloots
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To: Trust but Verify

We eat dinner with Greta every night here on the Left Coast.


621 posted on 07/05/2005 2:14:51 PM PDT by Yaelle
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To: TexKat

Sorry to be blunt but why would they have put Natalee in a container? Wouldn't they prefer that all evidence was eaten by the sharks? Ghastly but something to think about?


622 posted on 07/05/2005 2:16:20 PM PDT by Yaelle
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To: maggiefluffs

Since they seem to be getting away with murder, they'll do it again. Joran will knock his hapless girlfriends around and rape them. If they complain, he'll threaten them with: 'Do you want me to do what I did to Natalee Holloway, that American b...th? Then shut up."


623 posted on 07/05/2005 2:17:21 PM PDT by hershey
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To: truthluva
there could be an anti-US media demonstration forming near the Court house

Between this and the change in tune at the radio station, I'm wondering who might be behind what looks like orchestration against the investigation and against Natalee's family.
624 posted on 07/05/2005 2:18:11 PM PDT by hummingbird ("The world needs more Steel Magnolias like Beth Holloway.")
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To: Landry Fan
Can the 2 security guards sue the 2 brothers and J for making statements that caused them to be falsely imprisoned?

Oh, I wouldn't know.

I don't know if they have civil or slander suits there.

625 posted on 07/05/2005 2:18:54 PM PDT by the Deejay (THE LADY DEEJAY)
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To: TexKat
You do mean "edumacated," right?! LOL, too.
626 posted on 07/05/2005 2:19:58 PM PDT by hummingbird ("The world needs more Steel Magnolias like Beth Holloway.")
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To: Rippersnapper
In my defense, I didn't mean to be harsh concerning Beth. Her plea was a desperate one, and shows how fragile she has become. She needs help..in alot of ways. She stands alone against the Arubans.

They aren't revealing any information because they are afraid to at this time. Recall how Joran's father was restricted from seeing his son because he gave him "advice"? Then detained.

Twittys don't know how far they can go without screwing up the case, or find themselves being detained. And I have the feeling Aruba is looking for any reason to release Joran. Beth shouldn't give it to them.

sw

627 posted on 07/05/2005 2:20:01 PM PDT by spectre (Spectre's wife)
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To: Dark Skies

Dr. Baden says there'd be no trace
of drugs after this period of time.


628 posted on 07/05/2005 2:21:35 PM PDT by the Deejay (THE LADY DEEJAY)
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To: Lizarde
I think the point was there that it may be that Natalie was somehow pulled into the Kalpoe';s car at the last minute or that she thought she was getting into a taxi.

If Natalee were pulled UNWITTINGLY into a car, she would have been frantically upset. I thought she yelled Aruba Aruba! out the car window. I think she knew what she was doing when she got into the car. The Kalpoes would have definitely been involved in her murder and kidnapping if they kept driving.

629 posted on 07/05/2005 2:21:36 PM PDT by Yaelle
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To: the Deejay
Dr. Baden says there'd be no trace of drugs after this period of time.

Well, dang it. He shot my wobbly theory to pieces. I'll have to grasp another straw.

630 posted on 07/05/2005 2:23:59 PM PDT by Dark Skies
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To: Rippersnapper

The three were taken in for questioning sometime after the initial police contact. It was during their detention for questioning that they told the security guard story, is what I understood. However, if I'm wrong surely someone will correct me.

The initial police contact came when Natalee's family went looking for Joran at this house. They called the police who sent someone along with them, but it was the family that took the lead. The dad told them Joran was not home, that he was at a Casino. So they drove to this Casino and Joran was not there. They called the dad and said he's not here. The dad said, of course not, he came home while you were on your way there.

So they rushed back, and spent over an hour I think trying to get answers about Natalee. The dad told Joran not to talk. I believe at some point the K. brothers were contacted and they came over and were there. I believe they too were counseled not to talk, by Joran's dad. (So Joran was at a Casino at 3 a.m. on a school night, according to his own father, who seemed cool with it.)

It was later on that the three were detained for questioning and told the security guard story, I believe. They later admitted that the story was made up and rehearsed in order to protect Joran from looking like he was guilty of something.

They remained silent while the guards were arrested, knowing the story was made up. A real winsome threesome - that!


631 posted on 07/05/2005 2:25:09 PM PDT by txrangerette
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To: the Deejay
I would have backed you...Lady Deejay! I feel like I'm living on the wild side when I'm in the Smoky Backroom!
632 posted on 07/05/2005 2:25:55 PM PDT by hummingbird ("The world needs more Steel Magnolias like Beth Holloway.")
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To: Dark Skies

LOL!

Actually, I said there'd be no trace of
drugs after this period of time, AND THEN!
Dr. Baden said it on Greta's show!

I like to think, Dr. Baden concurs w/me this time!
LOL!!


633 posted on 07/05/2005 2:26:26 PM PDT by the Deejay (THE LADY DEEJAY)
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To: gingersnaps

The war on Terrorism and Natalee's disappearance in Aruba are two very different things. And just to head you off at the pass, I'll be the first to decry Canada's PATHETIC behaviour and lack of being an ally in the war on terror. Frankly Canada has finally discovered that we have approximately 50 terrorist cells and that they intend to attack us as well. This country deserves it. Decades of Liberals definitely destroy all the good things a country was built on. But in the Justice system (which I work in), I do believe we would have done a much better job on this case than the Arubans did. My biggest complaint in this case is the loss of the 11 crucial days and therefore the gathering of any possible forensic evidence and the fact that Paul VDS was released. He should be re-arrested immediately. As to the MSM, O'Reilly has spent next to no time on this story. To quote him "You own this story Greta"!! Sean Hannity was indignant as have most of us been but not condescending. All of that is insignificant compared to the pain and heartache of Natalee's Mom and Dad and stepdad. This poor Mother needs answers.!! May God provide them.


634 posted on 07/05/2005 2:26:33 PM PDT by Canadian Outrage (All us Western Canuks should separate from central Canada and join together with Alberta !)
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To: the Deejay

Dr. Baden probably has no idea. My wacky theory is that he picked it up from reading one of your postings and repeated it to Greta as though it was his idea.


635 posted on 07/05/2005 2:29:35 PM PDT by Dark Skies
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To: Peach
"I'm outraged to read this about Aruban callers to the station. The Halloway family has remained admirably calm and not thrown stones and gone out of their way to praise the Aruban people."

I agree!!

It does seem she has opened up a hornet's nest which may be good. They are so used to the laid back attitude of putting things off until tomorrow or maybe never when it comes to crime. It's time to stir it up, shake up the whole island even more than it is and see what shakes out.

636 posted on 07/05/2005 2:30:18 PM PDT by WestCoastGal (If you're LURKING and reading you should be DONATING to the FReepathon!! Go Jr ~8~)
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To: hummingbird

My post # 2002 NH thread 4 yesterday.


637 posted on 07/05/2005 2:30:36 PM PDT by the Deejay (THE LADY DEEJAY)
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To: rolling_stone

Yes, I heard an international law expert explain that Perjury is a charge under that system. So is being complicit in the commission of a crime. If I recall correctly, one of the more relevant pieces of evidence that the authorities have is a text message between Joran and HIS FATHER!! That message was sent and received the FIRST night.


638 posted on 07/05/2005 2:31:35 PM PDT by Canadian Outrage (All us Western Canuks should separate from central Canada and join together with Alberta !)
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To: GarySpFc

Are you serious? I've led a sheltered life because I can't imagine any man letting the cops rape their girlfriend/wife/love interest in order to buy their way out of some charge? I didn't say I couldn't imagine someone making that kind of demand, I said I couldn't imagine a man allowing it. And sorry, but there is a difference between rape and bribery.


639 posted on 07/05/2005 2:32:02 PM PDT by Trust but Verify
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To: Dark Skies

Decomposition is very nasty in
more ways than one.


640 posted on 07/05/2005 2:32:44 PM PDT by the Deejay (THE LADY DEEJAY)
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