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Natalee Holloway - Case Discussion Extended Thread 5
Various News Outlets | 7/4/05

Posted on 07/04/2005 6:39:22 PM PDT by TexKat

Mountain Brook High School graduate Natalee Holloway went missing May 30 during a senior trip to Aruba.

AP photo


TOPICS: Heated Discussion
KEYWORDS: aruba; bethholloway; boycottaruba; fubaruba; jossymansur; kalpoes; mariainecroes; natalee; nataleeholloway; rubentrapenberg; vandersloots
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To: txrangerette
you suggested she was calling for "vigilante justice".

Actually, I asked if Beth was suggesting that based on your description. Big difference.
201 posted on 07/05/2005 8:19:01 AM PDT by over3Owithabrain
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To: TexKat

"U.S. Rep. Spencer Bachus, R-Vestavia Hills, said Saturday there were circumstances surrounding Holloway's disappearance that warranted the FBI being heavily involved....................."The circumstances were disturbing," said Bachus, who formally requested the FBI's involvement. "I can't get into it, but it's something the family is aware of"

Posts 59 and 60 on this thread are intriguing, esp considering the above:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1436558/posts?page=65#59


202 posted on 07/05/2005 8:25:36 AM PDT by Vn_survivor_67-68
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To: gingersnaps; All

I am at work and did not see the news conference, but want to say this. Beth Twitty KNOWS more than we do. She got a call, or somehow heard a call, originating from a cell phone, apparently during the hours Natalee went missing. That call made her believe with all of her heart that Natalee was in trouble, even kidnapped for all we know. I believe the call could have actually been FROM Natalee. Bets can't tell what she knows. But she does know something concrete. That is apparent by her actions, by getting the FBI involved, by tracking down the cell phone providor, and by her firm stance that the right people were in custody. She did not want the secirity guards in jail. She knew that was a red herring.

Since Beth is there and knows what she knows, I will defer to her. When we all find out what is really going on, I think her actions will make more sense.


203 posted on 07/05/2005 8:28:29 AM PDT by HoHoeHeaux
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To: HoHoeHeaux

When do you think we will ever find out what's going on, HoHoe?


204 posted on 07/05/2005 8:38:41 AM PDT by jacquej
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To: TexKat

I've had my back to the TV, checking on something here on FR.

Fox just announced, FBI national office has reviewed Sen. Shelby's request for help. Nothing more is forthcoming at this point. Caught between a rock and a hard place because Aruba hasn't asked for it!!!


205 posted on 07/05/2005 8:40:14 AM PDT by WestCoastGal (If you're LURKING and reading you should be DONATING to the FReepathon!! Go Jr ~8~)
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To: WestCoastGal; gingersnaps
To be perfectly honest. During this case we have seen the good, the bad, and the ugly sides of our media in this case.

It was not the American media presence that hinder the case. It was not even the on-site media reporters that were/are the problem with the exception of Geraldo.

I do give all other on-site American reporters kudos. Even they got a little pissed at being over talked and interrupted by the likes of O'Reilly.

Yes Geraldo, Bill O'Reilly, and Hannity reported incorrect, untrue, exaggerated, intrusive, bellowing reports. Which imho makes us (Americans) look bad.

Also imho not only this case but also our own homegrown cases these same media talking heads among others are all out of line. A certain % of the time they are not reporting the news, they are making it up as they go.

I guess some don't mine because they see it as a form of entertainment.

It won't be so entertaining if we were in some of these people shoes.

206 posted on 07/05/2005 8:41:17 AM PDT by TexKat (Just because you did not see it or read it, that does not mean it did or did not happen.)
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To: TexKat
There is very little forensic evidence in this case according to FBI sources.

US probably won't risk it's relationship with Aruba for one missing girl's case (although it's a tragedy) according to Fox News' reporter, Katherine Herridge.
208 posted on 07/05/2005 8:47:56 AM PDT by kcvl
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To: WestCoastGal
Fox just announced, FBI national office has reviewed Sen. Shelby's request for help. Nothing more is forthcoming at this point. Caught between a rock and a hard place because Aruba hasn't asked for it!!!

Catherine Etheridge (sp?) Fox News reporting that the FBI says there are not a whole lot of forensic evidence in this case. Thats were they could have offered their expertise.

209 posted on 07/05/2005 8:48:01 AM PDT by TexKat (Just because you did not see it or read it, that does not mean it did or did not happen.)
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To: Lizarde

Lizarde you may want others to know that your post #207 is only rumors. That info has not been confirmed. That is more or less someone's theory that has passed through 3 or more different sites.


211 posted on 07/05/2005 8:51:42 AM PDT by TexKat (Just because you did not see it or read it, that does not mean it did or did not happen.)
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To: Burpinflyz
Thanks Burpinflyz. Good catch. Do you have the link to this article.

I am also looking for info on Ben Volcing, aka Ben King, Dirty Hand, Babylon if you happen to run across any.

212 posted on 07/05/2005 8:57:18 AM PDT by TexKat (Just because you did not see it or read it, that does not mean it did or did not happen.)
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To: gingersnaps
"Sloots, would likely have been detained for even one minute under our American system, given the increasingly obvious dearth of evidence to hold them, search their homes and cars, etc. ?!"

"The Dutch system clearly gives their "suspects" far fewer rights than does ours; and IF any of these suspects are guilty of a crime, more likely the Dutch system will ferret it out of them than would ours. If this incident had occurred in America, I'm quite sure none of the so-called suspects we know of would have been jailed, interrogated or had their homes, cars, or cell phone records searched."

BS. Our system relies heavily on forensics. The damn dutch don't have a clue!

213 posted on 07/05/2005 8:58:03 AM PDT by monkeywrench (Deut. 27:17 Cursed be he that removeth his neighbor's landmark)
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To: gingersnaps
American commentators who blast the Arubans (and the Dutch) for their justice system and for "botching" the investigation, yet are ignorant of the well-established Napoleonic Code the Dutch system is based upon, make themselves obnoxious and ridiculous.

How many of these media demi-gods understand that none of the "suspects," including both van der Sloots, would likely have been detained for even one minute under our American system, given the increasingly obvious dearth of evidence to hold them, search their homes and cars, etc. ?!

OH NONSENSE! The main issue was with the Aruban police. These clowns botched the investigation from the beginning, and MANY American detectives and attorneys have clearly stated that. By not detaining the perps and questioning them carefully at the beginning it gave them time to get their stories straight, and to eliminate the forensic evidence. The Arubans have committed a travesty of justice, and deserve all the hell they get out of this.

214 posted on 07/05/2005 8:58:50 AM PDT by GarySpFc (Sneakypete, De Oppresso Liber)
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To: Andy'smom; sarasota; cyborg; kcvl; maggiefluffs; No Surrender No Retreat; Rippersnapper; ...
Ruben Trapenberg says that the Kalpoe can leave the island per Fox News.

Where are those Trapenberg admirers?

Come out, come out, whereever you are!!

215 posted on 07/05/2005 8:59:20 AM PDT by TexKat (Just because you did not see it or read it, that does not mean it did or did not happen.)
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To: TexKat

Yep, Fox News just reported that Reuben Trappenberg just said that the Kalpoe brothers are free to leave Aruba on Thursday. Guess it's official now....


216 posted on 07/05/2005 9:01:04 AM PDT by demkicker (A skunk sat on a stump; the stump thunk the skunk stunk; the skunk thunk the stump stunk.)
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To: TexKat

Trapenberg says Kalpoe's are free to leave island!


217 posted on 07/05/2005 9:01:13 AM PDT by WestCoastGal (If you're LURKING and reading you should be DONATING to the FReepathon!! Go Jr ~8~)
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To: txrangerette

The Arubans have not only botched the investigation, but have also hindered it in some areas. Why O why have the Dutch marines not been helping to date? That is but one example.


218 posted on 07/05/2005 9:01:45 AM PDT by GarySpFc (Sneakypete, De Oppresso Liber)
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To: demkicker; TexKat

I guess we're all watching the same channel. lol


219 posted on 07/05/2005 9:02:02 AM PDT by WestCoastGal (If you're LURKING and reading you should be DONATING to the FReepathon!! Go Jr ~8~)
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To: TexKat
Which imho makes us (Americans) look bad.

Frankly, I think everyone (other countries and their citizens) already hate America. It's like some sort of nationalistic penis envy. Although, some minority might like us because they have relatives here, the rest never have and never will.

Also, I think the reason the Arubans, in particularly, hate us is they know they are dependent on U.S. tourism. There attitude is passive-agressive. They need our money, but they don't mind if Aruban men abuse American female tourists. It's similar to (but much worse than) the attitude that year-round residents of U.S. tourist locales have toward the summer residents and vacationers. Smiling on the outside, seething on the inside.

I hope the press steps all over Aruba, because Aruba is protecting is own.

220 posted on 07/05/2005 9:03:40 AM PDT by Dark Skies
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