Natalee Holloway - Case Discussion Extended Thread 4

PVDS = Paulus (Paul) van der Sloot (Joran's Father)
AVDS = Anita van der Sloot (Joran's Mother)
JVDS = Joran van der Sloot - 17 year old suspect
DK = Deepak Kalpoe - 21 year old suspect
SK = Satish Kalpoe - 19 year old suspect
MSM = Main Stream Media
Beth or BT = Beth Twitty (Natalee's Mother)
Jug or JT = Jug Twitty (Natalee's Step-Father - married to Beth)
Nat or NH = Natalee Holloway
GVS = Greta Van Susteren (FOX)
VDS = van der Sloot
LE = Law Enforcement
SG or SG's = Security Guards
MJ = Mickey John's (Security Guard)
SC = Steve Croes (Boat Deejay)
CC = Charles Croes (Owns Rental Cell Phone Co)
BOR = Bill O'Reilly (FOX)
NG = Nancy Grace (CNN)
HNN = Headline News Network
CNN = Cable News Network

Transcript: Greta in Aruba
INTERVIEW WITH NADIRA RAMIREZ, SATISH AND DEEPAK KALPOE'S MOTHER
INTERVIEW WITH ANITA VAN DER SLOOT BEFORE PAULUS VAN DER SLOOT IS ARRESTED
INTERVIEW WITH RUFO SOLOGNIER, STEVE CROES' UNCLE
This is a partial transcript from "On the Record," June 23, 2005

Tragic Trip?
This is a partial transcript from "The O'Reilly Factor," June 15, 2005

Some case info to go along with this map...
(as far as I know this is all correct)

B-1 = California Lighthouse - where the boys claim they took her first after leaving the Bar.

D-3 = #4 is the location of the 2 Marriott Hotels - where the 2 brothers (and now Joran) claim they dropped Joran and Natalee off after leaving the lighthouse - the 2 brothers claim they went home to Hooiberg after that.

D-3 = #19 is the location of the Holiday Inn where Natalee was staying.

G-5 = Where the red #2 marker is pointing to is the area that the Carlos & Charlie Bar is located

D-4 = Township of Montana is where Joran lives

F-7/8 = Hooiberg (Haystack Mountain) - The 2 Kalpoe brothers live in this area at the foot of the Haystack Mountian.

C-9 = By the Natural Bridge on the map is the location where the sharks hang out as they are fed at this location. This is the Shark Infested Feeding Area.

E-3 = Wetland in the Bird Sanctuary is the location where they found the Condoms/Condom Wrappers - Duct Tape (looked like black electrical tape to me) - Female Flowered Panties - and a String or Strap from a Bikini or Halter Top.

I am asking that everyone either post just a link to the pictures they wish to share or reduce the size of the picture when you use the img src tag.

This will help greatly for us who are on Dial-up.

Examples

Just a link to a picture like this...(this is the simplest method)
http://www.arubavacationhouse.com/images/arubamap.gif

or reduce this image size like this (you need to know HTML to do it this way)

Just a reminder that...
THIS IS A NO LARGE
PICTURE POSTING THREAD
(please do not post large pictures on the thread - small pictures are fine - as well simple links to the pictures)

This is a discussion thread about the daily occurrences in the Natalee Holloway Case.
It is located in "Chat" on Free Republic
It is not a thread for bashing Natalee - Natalee's Family or Natalee's Friends.
It also is not an ongoing discussion thread for any other cases.

Thanks for the new thread!

REPOST

Re: Digicel

http://www.digicelaruba.com/products/digiroam.php?ref_page=digiselect

If you don't want to travel with your cellular phone, or if you don't have a GSM cellular, you can rent a phone in Aruba. Contact Charles Croes at 730-0001 for any rental details.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1429067/posts?page=4773#4773

Charlies Croes does not know the Twitty's - he has a friend that was helping the twitty's. This person called Charlies Croes because he owns a cell phone rental co on th island.

Repeat of Greta...

Charlies Croes: There was apparently a cell phone call made and he was calling me, betting or hoping that the phone call was made from one of our phones, so that is why he called me.

Greta: What time did he call you?

Charlies Croes: About 11:30 (I take it was 11:30 pm Monday night as Charlies Croes met up with the mystery person and the Twitty's after this conversation at a gas station in Aruba.)

Greta: What did he say to you?

Charlies Croes: He told me that he needed my help and I asked him what it was about and he told me that it had something to do with a cellphone and I didn't relate to it anything but work at that point and he said there is a possibility that a phone call was made using one of our phones and I said "ok" and he said it is very very important and I said fine and I asked him to go into further details and he did and I made arrangements to go see him.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1429067/posts?page=4781#4781

Ok... the phone call discussion comes up again in the interview Croes is at the gas station with Beth Twitty. Greta asks Croes if the phone call discussion was brought up while talking to Beth at the gas station. Croes says yes... Greta says after you listen to the call several times and hung up with the person in the states, what did you do next.

After that we spoke for awhile then we left...

Just tossing out a few questions:

Who rented the Digicel GSM cell phone?

Could Natalee have rented a cell phone because she could configure her own phone? (There should be a contract.)

Did she place a call to her home and leave a message with the calling information?

Could a call have been placed near the vdS home and picked up by one of the 15 Digicel towers?

Is that why Beth is so certain that Natalee was at the vdS home at 3:15 am?

GretaWire

Our show seems nomadic lately.

First, beginning in May, we started jumping all over the continent — D.C., New York, Santa Maria (search), Redwood City (search), Little Rock, etc. And now, while we are in a foreign country — Aruba — even our nightly set location changes. Some nights we are on a balcony, some nights on the deck on the ground, two nights ago in a "wind tunnel" on the grass near our hotel and who knows where tonight. We are nomadic at the hotel where our created bureau is because we are dodging activities at the hotel that could interfere with the broadcast.

We have had to dodge two weddings and several parties at our hotel. Of course the weddings and parties are joyous occasions with lots of music — but inappropriate background for such a serious matter as a missing person. The events we dodge have been planned for many months and of course we can't bump them (and would not try.) Instead we move around the hotel with our lights and cameras. On more than one occasion we were not successful and viewers complained. I agree it was not good — but we try our best. We can't predict always the music content, the volume or how long it will play. There is always a challenge to do a show "on the road."

I am ready to go back to USA... but every time I think I want to go back I remind myself that Natalee Holloway's (search) family stays behind and with only bad news (likely) in the future. I am so lucky compared to Beth... her life must be pure hell. At some point in the near future the media will fold its tents and move on to the next story. Meanwhile Beth and her family like so many other families just waits and waits and waits and waits. I feel bad — but not sure what the solution is. I am not sure where this story is headed, but I confess to having little optimism for a good ending... maybe no optimism at this point is more accurate description of my feelings.

After last night's show, I did an interview for Dutch TV. It was "payback" for their correspondent doing our show in the first segment of last night's show. The correspondent had interviewed Paul van der Sloot the day before and we were curious what he told Dutch TV. It turns out that the correspondent and I had crossed paths before — in 2000, in Palm Beach, Florida for the now infamous election recount. It is not uncommon to keep running into people in this business in various places. I had given him an interview in 2000 and so he was happy to do our show... and then, of course, I did his show again. (This could go on forever!)

I asked how they would handle the fact that I don't speak Dutch and was told there will be subtitles. (By the way, because I have a Dutch last name, I was asked by a family friend outside the Van der Sloot house and at a lighter moment in a distressing story, if I speak Dutch. I confessed no and quipped that I am still working on English. The friend then said "shame on you with such a Dutch last name!")

E-mail No. 1

Greta,

The monkey worries me. I wish they would investigate around and (under?) the cage — I don't know, the monkey was just so unexpected, (like the clown in "Body Heat" meaning something is odd.) Also, surely the dirt piles outside the Van der Sloot property have been checked — are the dogs checking that property? Thank you for your show and forthright approach to your work. I am so glad you have become friends with Beth Twitty — and miracles happen everyday — we'll pray for a miracle.

Thank you, Milinda Sheldon MI

E-mail No. 2

Greta,

Since this is a delicate story of a young and beautiful missing girl, I think it may be hard to ask certain questions. But, Charles Croes brought up Joran's statements of Natalee using drugs and alcohol the night of her disappearance. Are you going to ask her mother, Beth Holloway Twitty, about the statements that Joran told in the presence of Charles Croes?

Sincerely, Arlene B. Jermakian-Heed

E-mail No. 3

Greta,

Just a thought here on the Holloway investigation case: Is any one on the island missing a small watercraft or boat from around that time frame? Maybe reported taken that night or shortly after but just prior to the arrest of the suspects. If her body was disposed of, has any one tried to figure out the approximate distance that the body could have been taken — with the time frame that was reported to the police — if she was just walking, driven in a car or taken on a boat? I am sure that these have already been asked and figured out but I have not seen anything on it reported yet by the news media.

David J. Bold Korea

ANSWER: David, last night we had a segment on our air about the currents in the early morning hours of May 30... so it appears you and I think a bit alike. It was a rather difficult segment to do — not because of the science of oceanography etc. — but because Natalee's mother and family come to our show every night and watch. They are still hopeful for good news and maybe this story could have an Elizabeth Smart ending — so our bleak discussion about currents is not easy for them.

We have a challenge on the show — educating and informing but also showing some level of sensitivity to the family. I hope last night's show met that balance. From time to time we will make the wrong calls, but be assured that at least we think things through and try to do it right — assuming there is a right way to do things under these circumstances. As an aside, the family has made passing reference to me about tides and currents so they have also thought about this. Of course, this is very difficult thought for them.

E-mail No. 4

Greta,

Does Aruba have dumpsters? If so, wouldn't this have been the fastest and easiest way to hide a body? Have the landfills been searched? Or is it too late?

David Pursel Honolulu, HI

ANSWER: I am most hopeful that the search is complete... but of course since Natalee has not been found, it is thus far unsuccessful.

E-mail No. 5

Hi Greta,

I love your show, and we listen to you every night on FOX Radio at work. I just came up with an idea of where Natalee Holloway might be. I have read a lot of crime stories and murderer stories and about serial killers. One thing that is a common thread, is that when they have to make a quick and sure decision of where to hide the body, they bury it on their own property.

I think she is buried on the Van der Sloot property and they did it before the mother arrived back from her trip. He was probably sweating profusely having you and Mrs. Holloway in the house. It looks like a fairly large property.

I think the girl got killed somehow, Joran called his dad in a panic in the middle of the night, knowing his mom wasn't home and his dad is very smart legally. His dad ran over there to pick him up and get the body and take it back to their place, where no one would see them in the middle of the night on their own property, doing whatever they needed to do. They had never done anything like this before, its natural to do it within your own environment, with your own tools and things that you need. Also, I think the property has a tall fence around it. Investigators probably didn't have a dog sniffing around the property. Have they even returned to the property to search further?

I don't think they even told the mother, feeling she would panic and talk. They feel everyone is looking elsewhere for Natalee, away from their home. Also, they said he was on time to school that morning, and getting on the bus. So all he had to do was jump in the shower and get ready after they had finished. Didn't have to take a chance of being seen, or driving home or anything. Why aren't they doing some kind of re-enactment of the crime? And the biggest mistake of all is not investigating Joran immediately. Very sad for everyone involved.

My only other theory is that she is/was kidnapped and taken to the Middle East for some sheik's harem. Wouldn't be the first time. Thanks for your time, you always do a great job.

Luena

ANSWER: Luena, your theory is interesting and possible but thus far not supported by evidence as far as I know. This case is very troubling — there are other theories, likewise, not supported by the evidence that are possible. For example, what if Joran did leave her on the beach like a cad... and that she decided to go for a swim and went way out and drowned? Of course, like I noted, there is not evidence of my hypothetical but it is possible. We just don't know.

What has caught my attention and no doubt caught yours is that Joran was so quick to cook up a story... it certainly makes me suspicious of him but I would like to learn more evidence.

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