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Confederacy of the determined - (Southern heritage buffs vow "Confederate History Month")
WASHINGTON TIMES.COM ^ | APRIL 24, 2005 | Christina Bellantoni

Posted on 04/24/2005 6:08:20 PM PDT by CHARLITE

Southern heritage buffs vow to use the Virginia gubernatorial election as a platform for designating April as Confederate History and Heritage Month.

The four candidates have differing views on the Confederacy, an issue that has been debated for years in the commonwealth.

"We're not just a few people making a lot of noise," said Brag Bowling, a spokesman for the Sons of Confederate Veterans, the oldest hereditary organization for male descendents of Confederate soldiers. "This is not a racial thing; it is good for Virginia. We're going to keep pushing this until we get it."

Each candidate recently shared his thoughts on what Mr. Bowling called a "litmus test for all politicians." Lt. Gov. Timothy M. Kaine would not support a Confederate History and Heritage Month. Former state Attorney General Jerry W. Kilgore would support something that recognizes everyone who lived during the Civil War.

Sen. H. Russell Potts Jr. and Warrenton Mayor George B. Fitch would support a Confederate History and Heritage Month. Many past Virginia governors honored the Civil War or the Confederacy.

In 1990, former Gov. L. Douglas Wilder, the nation's first black governor, a Democrat and a grandson of slaves, issued a proclamation praising both sides of the war and remembering "those who sacrificed in this great struggle."

Former Govs. George Allen and James S. Gilmore III, both Republicans, issued Confederate History Month proclamations. In 2000, Mr. Gilmore replaced that proclamation with one commemorating both sides of the Civil War -- a move that enraged the Sons of Confederate Veterans.

Gov. Mark Warner, a Democrat, has refused to issue a gubernatorial decree on either side of the Civil War.

Mr. Kaine, another Democrat, would decline to issue a Confederate History and Heritage Month proclamation if he is elected governor, said his campaign spokeswoman, Delacey Skinner.

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To: Mongeaux

Good morning.
"We are so proud!"

I'll bet you are.

Michael Frazier


441 posted on 04/28/2005 7:15:12 AM PDT by brazzaville (No surrender,no retreat. Well, maybe retreat's ok)
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To: fortheDeclaration
Good morning.
"They are American war dead."

Then why is it that PC Northerners will never allow us to honor Southern war dead?

Michael Frazier
442 posted on 04/28/2005 7:29:47 AM PDT by brazzaville (No surrender,no retreat. Well, maybe retreat's ok)
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To: fortheDeclaration
Good morning.
"...and that union was meant to be indivisible."

I must have missed the forever-and-ever part of the constitution. I was probably distracted by that stuff in the Declaration of Independence about the People having the right to rise up when a government ceases to serve the People.

Michael Frazier
443 posted on 04/28/2005 7:48:54 AM PDT by brazzaville (No surrender,no retreat. Well, maybe retreat's ok)
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To: MacDorcha
A must read.

Never made it past the first paragraph.

444 posted on 04/28/2005 8:06:18 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: Non-Sequitur

Not my fault.

Get a longer attention span.

Or try skimming.


445 posted on 04/28/2005 8:08:17 AM PDT by MacDorcha (Where Rush dares not tread, there are the Freepers!)
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To: fortheDeclaration
head over to Southern Illinois University & read his PRIVATE letters.

like the one to Albert S. Finch of Bridgeport, CT from May '62 for example.(IF you can get those lincoln-worshipers to let you LOOK at his letters! in my experience, LEFTIST & REVISIONISTS go out of their way to ASSURE that the TRUTH does NOT come out about lincoln, the TYRANT & BIGOT.)

free dixie,sw

446 posted on 04/28/2005 8:15:53 AM PDT by stand watie (being a damnyankee is no better than being a racist. it is a LEARNED prejudice against dixie.)
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To: fortheDeclaration
inasmuch as the damnyankees planned to keep THEIR slaves & ONLY free southern slaves, your argument (such as it is) falls of its own (LIGHT) weight.

the LIES of the LEFTISTS & damnyankee REVISIONISTS aren't even SMART. they are just LIES.

have you had your morning glass of the damnyankee kool-aide yet and/or bowed before the statue of lincoln (your clay-footed secular saint of damnyankeeland) this morning???

if not swallow & hit your knees.

free dixie,sw

447 posted on 04/28/2005 8:20:41 AM PDT by stand watie (being a damnyankee is no better than being a racist. it is a LEARNED prejudice against dixie.)
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To: Javelina
imVho, your people would be ASHAMED/HUMILIATED to have a SCALAWAG/TURNCOAT in their family.

or perhaps your family were SCALAWAGS???

fyi, the lowest of all creatures in creation is a SCALAWAG (a traitor to their STATE & to the southland)!

free dixie,sw

448 posted on 04/28/2005 8:24:27 AM PDT by stand watie (being a damnyankee is no better than being a racist. it is a LEARNED prejudice against dixie.)
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To: stand watie

"or bowed before the statue of lincoln (your clay-footed secular saint of damnyankeeland)"

ROTLMFAO!

"DamnYankeeLand"

Love it!

We're down here in JesusLand, and they're up there in DamnYankeeLand!


449 posted on 04/28/2005 8:26:17 AM PDT by MacDorcha (Where Rush dares not tread, there are the Freepers!)
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To: fortheDeclaration
i'll take that one.

the south was free to secede because secession is a power NOT CEDED to the central government in the Constitution AND the ONLY honorable course was secession, when confronted with the north's intention to keep the south PERMANENTLY subservient.

that's why. it was EXACTLY the same reason as the Colonies revolted against G,III in 1776.

free dixie,sw

450 posted on 04/28/2005 8:28:30 AM PDT by stand watie (being a damnyankee is no better than being a racist. it is a LEARNED prejudice against dixie.)
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To: fortheDeclaration
SORRY, but you are DEAD WRONG!

SECESSION is ONE of the natural rights NOT CEDED to the central government by the STATES.

free dixie,sw

451 posted on 04/28/2005 8:30:36 AM PDT by stand watie (being a damnyankee is no better than being a racist. it is a LEARNED prejudice against dixie.)
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To: Mongeaux

The Confederacy tore this nation apart and got 623,026 of our ancestors killed so you could keep your slaves. That's neither right nor might.

You are showing your ignorance of historical fact.

The Confederacy did no such thing except in the eyes of Yankee blowhards.

The calling up of 70,000 "volunteers" by Lincoln tore this nation apart.

But then again, in all fairness, there was enough blame to go around on both sides.


452 posted on 04/28/2005 8:32:27 AM PDT by Leatherneck_MT (3-7-77 (No that's not a Date))
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To: MacDorcha
actually, MD was the FIRST STATE to be invaded. and MANY UNarmed, peaceful civilians were locked up without even the pretense of a charge/trial by the damnyankee TYRANT & his henchmen.

lincoln, was a TYRANT & WAR CRIMINAL. nothing more. nothing less.

free dixie,sw

453 posted on 04/28/2005 8:34:36 AM PDT by stand watie (being a damnyankee is no better than being a racist. it is a LEARNED prejudice against dixie.)
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To: Non-Sequitur
GM, Mr Minister!

you KNOW that:

1. NO state would have entered a union FREELY,from which it could not have FREELY withdrawn

2.the 10th amendment of the BOR enumerates the POWERS of FREE states which WERE CEDED to the central government. secession was NOT one of those RIGHTS of FREE STATES.

SORRY, but you lose this argument,AGAIN.

free dixie,sw

454 posted on 04/28/2005 8:38:24 AM PDT by stand watie (being a damnyankee is no better than being a racist. it is a LEARNED prejudice against dixie.)
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To: stand watie; fortheDeclaration

I somewhat stand corrected.

And propose a new question: why wasn't this considered part of the Civil War Campaign?


455 posted on 04/28/2005 8:44:09 AM PDT by MacDorcha (Where Rush dares not tread, there are the Freepers!)
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To: Non-Sequitur; All
as the Minister of Damnyankee Propaganda (and the smartest of FR's coven of damnyankees/unionists), you KNOW he's CORRECT, but cannot ADMIT he is correct.

that is the UNvarnished TRUTH.

evasions,spin,deceptions & lies are the province of the PROPAGANDIST.

free dixie,sw

456 posted on 04/28/2005 8:50:20 AM PDT by stand watie (being a damnyankee is no better than being a racist. it is a LEARNED prejudice against dixie.)
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To: fortheDeclaration; All
what an INCREDIBLY ignorant & STUPID statement!

who died and made you a god, so that you speak & everyone MUST accept your lunatic opinions as fact?

free dixie,sw

457 posted on 04/28/2005 8:52:50 AM PDT by stand watie (being a damnyankee is no better than being a racist. it is a LEARNED prejudice against dixie.)
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To: MacDorcha; All
damnyankee is ONE word.

as is yankee.

damnyankees are BIGOTS & HATERS.

yankees MAY become damnyankees, but they are NOT born that way. it is a LEARNED BEHAVIOR of the same sort as RACISM & ANTISEMITISM.

free dixie,sw

458 posted on 04/28/2005 8:56:34 AM PDT by stand watie (being a damnyankee is no better than being a racist. it is a LEARNED prejudice against dixie.)
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To: MacDorcha
Get a longer attention span.

When I see a paragraph like this one:

"On May 27, 1861, the army of the United States of America (the "Union")--a nation formed by consecutive secessions, first from Great Britain in 1776, and then from itself in 17881--invaded the State of Virginia, which had recently seceded from the Union, in an effort to negate that secession by violent force."

Then there isn't any reason to continue. He presents the legality of the southern actions as fact, not something open for debate. He also is trying to make the case that secession is legal. He doesn't need to make that case to me, I believe that secession is legal. It was not the fact that the south wanted out that was wrong, it was their method of doing it.

But looking further, and I know this because I've read this article in the past, you get to this gem:

"As settled as secession may be as a political or historical issue to many, it has never been settled as a legal one."

Well that is wrong. The illegality of the southern actions was settled in the case of Texas v White in 1868. I do not believe that unilateral secession as practiced by the southern states is sanctioned by the Constitution, and there is nothing in that article that gives me a reason to change that belief. So nice try. Better luck next time.

459 posted on 04/28/2005 8:59:44 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: Leatherneck_MT; All
are you REALLY ignorant enough of history to believe ANY of that self-righteous,arrogantly self-serving, NONSENSE & BILGE???

or are you just being a TROLL???

if you REALLY believe ANY of your post, i truly feel sorry for you as you are a VICTIM of the damnyankee SPIN MACHINE and i fear of the "gubmint publick screwl sistim".

free dixie,sw

460 posted on 04/28/2005 9:00:44 AM PDT by stand watie (being a damnyankee is no better than being a racist. it is a LEARNED prejudice against dixie.)
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