Confederacy of the determined - (Southern heritage buffs vow "Confederate History Month")

WASHINGTON TIMES.COM ^ | APRIL 24, 2005 | Christina Bellantoni

[CHARLITE]

Southern heritage buffs vow to use the Virginia gubernatorial election as a platform for designating April as Confederate History and Heritage Month.

The four candidates have differing views on the Confederacy, an issue that has been debated for years in the commonwealth.

"We're not just a few people making a lot of noise," said Brag Bowling, a spokesman for the Sons of Confederate Veterans, the oldest hereditary organization for male descendents of Confederate soldiers. "This is not a racial thing; it is good for Virginia. We're going to keep pushing this until we get it."

Each candidate recently shared his thoughts on what Mr. Bowling called a "litmus test for all politicians." Lt. Gov. Timothy M. Kaine would not support a Confederate History and Heritage Month. Former state Attorney General Jerry W. Kilgore would support something that recognizes everyone who lived during the Civil War.

Sen. H. Russell Potts Jr. and Warrenton Mayor George B. Fitch would support a Confederate History and Heritage Month. Many past Virginia governors honored the Civil War or the Confederacy.

In 1990, former Gov. L. Douglas Wilder, the nation's first black governor, a Democrat and a grandson of slaves, issued a proclamation praising both sides of the war and remembering "those who sacrificed in this great struggle."

Former Govs. George Allen and James S. Gilmore III, both Republicans, issued Confederate History Month proclamations. In 2000, Mr. Gilmore replaced that proclamation with one commemorating both sides of the Civil War -- a move that enraged the Sons of Confederate Veterans.

Gov. Mark Warner, a Democrat, has refused to issue a gubernatorial decree on either side of the Civil War.

Mr. Kaine, another Democrat, would decline to issue a Confederate History and Heritage Month proclamation if he is elected governor, said his campaign spokeswoman, Delacey Skinner.

[TexConfederate1861]

Not when it is located within the borders of another sovereign nation.

[fortheDeclaration]

But forming compacts with other states in the Union is forbidden under the Constitution.

Thats right, forming a compact with another state is illegal.

SC could not link up with another state separate from the Union

[fortheDeclaration]

Not when it is located within the borders of another sovereign nation.

SC was not a soverign nation, was never a soverign nation and never will be one.

Firing on the US flag is treason-simple as that!

[Non-Sequitur]

So Chase provided Davis a means of appealing to lower charges... and THEN the law was inacted against double-jeopardy...

No. With the ratification of the 14th Amendment any conviction of Davis or any other confederate leader on any charge would have violated the Constitutional rights, since the 14th Amendment imposed penalties for their participation in leading the rebellion.

[fortheDeclaration]

Since secession is not in the Constitution, it is not Constitutional. " Well gee, I guess that means smoking cigarettes is not Constitutional then. As is sex with your spouse. And eating. Mus'nt eat! It's not in the Constitution!

When you find the right to secede, remember it is spelled SECEDE.

[TexConfederate1861]

My ancestors, 3 of them, fought for the Confederacy. Only 1 of them owned slaves, which he freed before the war. They didn't fight to preserve slavery. They fought to preserve States-Rights. You need to seriously re-evaluate your beliefs, and quit getting your education from "Roots" and "Uncle Tom's Cabin"

If you are indeed a Conservative, you must realize that we ALL lost fundemental rights during that struggle. Slavery ending was the ONLY good result. That result wasn't worth the lives of 600,000 Americans, both North & South.

[fortheDeclaration]

My ancestors, 3 of them, fought for the Confederacy. Only 1 of them owned slaves, which he freed before the war. They didn't fight to preserve slavery. They fought to preserve States-Rights. You need to seriously re-evaluate your beliefs, and quit getting your education from "Roots" and "Uncle Tom's Cabin" If you are indeed a Conservative, you must realize that we ALL lost fundemental rights during that struggle. Slavery ending was the ONLY good result. That result wasn't worth the lives of 600,000 Americans, both North & South.

First, you better do some studying on the subject and find out what States 'rights' mean.

They mean that the individual does not have rights, the State does.

It is just another form of facism.

No one lost any rights.

The slaves were freed, which means that some 3million regained their rights.

We still have a right to rebel from a tyrannical government.

The Confederacy had nothing to do with fighting against any tyranny, only an attempt to keep one going.

[TexConfederate1861]

The South didn't start the war...the Yankee Demi-God Lincoln did.

[fortheDeclaration]

Actually I think we should have a Yankee heritage day.

To celebrate the crushing of slave power

You guys have to be the greatest whiners in history.

You lost a war over 140 years ago and you are still crying about it!

[4CJ]

Where does it say that the Constitution is limited to only the enumerated powers? The Supreme Court recognized the existence of implied powers, identified through a reading of the Constitution as a whole, almost 200 years ago.

From Bouvier's Law Dictionary Rev. 6th ed. (1856)

EXPRESS. That which is made known, and not left to implication. The opposite of implied. It is a rule, that when a matter or thing is expressed, it ceases to be implied by law: expressum facit cessare tacitum.

Obviously the framers did not enumerate a list of items such as 'the legislature may paint their chambers' or 'the executive may have bodyguards' - it's a document containing broad ENUMERATED powers, with the details to be done pursuant to those broad guidelines.

Where is that limitation? Where does it say that only those powers specifically identified in the Constitution are granted to the government or denied the states?

Article I - 'All legislative Powers herein granted'
Article I §8 - 'To make all Laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into Execution the foregoing Powers, and all other Powers vested by this Constitution.'
Article VI - 'This Constitution, and the Laws of the United States which shall be made in Pursuance thereof [note that it doesn't list judicial opinion]
Amendment IX - 'The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.'
Amendment X - 'The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.'

[TexConfederate1861]

You know, I tire of this. States-Rights is not FACISM, and I don't know where you got your education, but it is flawed.

If you think 600,000 lives was worth freeing the slaves then you are nuts! Especially when they would have been free within a decade anyway.


Where did you go to school? Berkley? or some other liberal institution?

[MacDorcha]

"[Of] course for the Confederates words do mean nothing, only power does."

This isn't the UN. Power to protect yourself is a God-given right! Words DO nothing except communicate your will to others.

My rights exist whether the Constitution does or not. Thus says the Constitution!

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"It has to do with the fact that the states had already formed a compact by the time Lincoln had become President, so were in violation of the Constitution. "

Huh? So now there's a window for when one can seceed? Now you're just talking.

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"No, SC had no legal right to leave the Union and hence, was a state in rebellion."

You are STILL YET to prove your assertion.

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"and hereing you makes me proud to be an American"

You are an American, but you are subject to your state's laws. If you were ONLY subject to federal laws, it would be a *strict democracy.* You know the one. It failed in Athens Greece.

As it stands, you are in a Constitutional Republic. You are a subject of your state AND your country. (IOW, you CAN fly a state flag. It IS legal and even patriotic)

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"Yea, with it's guns pointed out to sea! "

Funny how you think "guns" (read: cannons) are what makes a fort a threat.

There were also PEOPLE in that fort. Complete with small arms, and training in ways to kill in a battle-field. And not to forget, it was a FORT. A large four-sided wall, with a company trained to kill inside.

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"Good to hear what? "

The wind blowing through your weak arguement.

You went from stating that the South had nothing to fear from what happend up north. Then you proceeded to note that they were going to lose something that formed their very economy.

Make up your mind!

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"I know you long for the good old days, but they are gone-get over it!"

Are you implying that I support slavery? Or that I have any reason to hate the current way of life in the South?

My entire arguement (as stated AGAIN and AGAIN and AGAIN) is that the North acted out of step with the Constitution.

Are we better off for it? I don't know. Would I go back and change how the South acted? Possibly, if I could.

I don't see where you get the idea that I'm some un-educated yahoo trying to brng back the South. I simply argue for the interpretation of the Constitution they took.

Now, if you Yankees keep messing with Suthern boys, I wouldn't be suprised if you one day DID get another secession.

[rebelyell]

Deo vindice, my brother.

The difference between us and them is that we are willing to fight for our convictions...

[TexConfederate1861]

You Sir, are a MORON. Christian or not.
Go preach your abolitionist anti-Southern, Confederate-Hating views to someone else.

I am done arguing with your sheer stupidity.

[TexConfederate1861]

I PRAY for the day we can kick the Yankee liberals out of OUR country. :)

[MacDorcha]

"Actually I think we should have a Yankee heritage day.

To celebrate the crushing of slave power "

And the simultaneous allowance of slavery in other states!

We could call it "JFKerry Day!" And we could have Al Gore invent it!

"You lost a war over 140 years ago and you are still crying about it!"

(using your POV) Well, YOU invaded a soveriegn nation (and attacked natives!) and BRAG about it.

YOU have to be the biggest bullies, if we're the biggest whiners.

[MacDorcha]

"SC could not link up with another state separate from the Union"

Wrong again. SC could not link up with another state INSIDE the Union.

[4CJ]

so can the states now turn around and eject any state they like-based on the 10th amendment?

The answer was previously posted to you in #410 - Article V: 'no State, without its Consent, shall be deprived of its equal Suffrage in the Senate.'

No state can be ejected from the union without IT's consent. The power of that state to pack up and leave is not prohibited.

[MacDorcha]

The power of that state to pack up and leave is not prohibited. It is restricted though. Congress may overrule them. Given records in 1860, I'd say that didn't happen.

[MacDorcha]

http://jimostrowski.com/articles/secession.html

A must read.