Posted on 04/24/2005 6:08:20 PM PDT by CHARLITE
Southern heritage buffs vow to use the Virginia gubernatorial election as a platform for designating April as Confederate History and Heritage Month.
The four candidates have differing views on the Confederacy, an issue that has been debated for years in the commonwealth.
"We're not just a few people making a lot of noise," said Brag Bowling, a spokesman for the Sons of Confederate Veterans, the oldest hereditary organization for male descendents of Confederate soldiers. "This is not a racial thing; it is good for Virginia. We're going to keep pushing this until we get it."
Each candidate recently shared his thoughts on what Mr. Bowling called a "litmus test for all politicians." Lt. Gov. Timothy M. Kaine would not support a Confederate History and Heritage Month. Former state Attorney General Jerry W. Kilgore would support something that recognizes everyone who lived during the Civil War.
Sen. H. Russell Potts Jr. and Warrenton Mayor George B. Fitch would support a Confederate History and Heritage Month. Many past Virginia governors honored the Civil War or the Confederacy.
In 1990, former Gov. L. Douglas Wilder, the nation's first black governor, a Democrat and a grandson of slaves, issued a proclamation praising both sides of the war and remembering "those who sacrificed in this great struggle."
Former Govs. George Allen and James S. Gilmore III, both Republicans, issued Confederate History Month proclamations. In 2000, Mr. Gilmore replaced that proclamation with one commemorating both sides of the Civil War -- a move that enraged the Sons of Confederate Veterans.
Gov. Mark Warner, a Democrat, has refused to issue a gubernatorial decree on either side of the Civil War.
Mr. Kaine, another Democrat, would decline to issue a Confederate History and Heritage Month proclamation if he is elected governor, said his campaign spokeswoman, Delacey Skinner.
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I am finishing up the second volume of his writings and haven't seen any yet.
But please feel free to point them out to me.
In fact, he rebukes the Know nothing Party for their hatred against immigrants.
"The Founders did not put the word slavery in the Constitution explicity because they wanted it to end and when it did, there would be no reference to it in the Constitution. "
They wanted to end it... yet for 4 years prior to the Revolution, slaves had been free under British rule. There was no reason to keep them, they were free BEFORE the Constitution was signed under the law previous to it.
"Criminal is the normal usage of the term, not slavery. "
Yet it was not expressed as such in the Constitution.
"Unlike the Confederate apologists, the Founders did not view slavery as defensible or good, but as an evil they had to figure a way out of."
They sure as hell OWNED slaves. If you can't defend it, why do it?
Everything would have been fine if you obeyed the laws of the land.
But I know having to deal with the fact that slavery would not be allowed to expand was a traumatic issue to deal with.
Slaves were not free under British rule.
In fact, the British would not allow slavery to be banned in the colonies.
Benjamin Franklin, in a 1773 letter to Dean Woodward, confirmed that whenever the Americans had attempted to end slavery, the British government had indeed thwarted those attempts. Franklin explained that . . . . . . a disposition to abolish slavery prevails in North America, that many of Pennsylvanians have set their slaves at liberty, and that even the Virginia Assembly have petitioned the King for permission to make a law for preventing the importation of more into that colony. This request, however, will probably not be granted as their former laws of that kind have always been repealed. 4 http://www.wallbuilders.com/resources/search/detail.php?ResourceID=10
There was no reason to keep them, they were free BEFORE the Constitution was signed under the law previous to it.
Because some of the Southerners would not give them up,
While Jefferson himself had introduced a bill designed to end slavery, 6 not all of the southern Founders were opposed to slavery. According to the testimony of Virginians James Madison, Thomas Jefferson, and John Rutledge, it was the Founders from North Carolina, South Carolina, and Georgia who most strongly favored slavery. 7
"Criminal is the normal usage of the term, not slavery. " Yet it was not expressed as such in the Constitution.
Did not have to be, it was the normally accepted view of the meaning of the word.
What does the word mean now, without criminal being mentioned?
It means criminals!
"Unlike the Confederate apologists, the Founders did not view slavery as defensible or good, but as an evil they had to figure a way out of." They sure as hell OWNED slaves. If you can't defend it, why do it?
Because getting rid of slavery was not a simple task.
There was the responsibilty to the slaves themselves.
Laws were passed to prevent freeing slaves by those who wanted to keep them.
Some of the Founders did release them,
Many of the Founding Fathers who had owned slaves as British citizens released them in the years following America’s separation from Great Britain (e.g., George Washington, John Dickinson, Caesar Rodney, William Livingston, George Wythe, John Randolph of Roanoke, and others). Furthermore, many of the Founders had never owned any slaves. For example, John Adams proclaimed, "[M]y opinion against it [slavery] has always been known . . . [N]ever in my life did I own a slave." 9
Notice a few additional examples of the strong anti-slavery sentiments held by great numbers of the Founders:
[W]hy keep alive the question of slavery? It is admitted by all to be a great evil. 10 CHARLES CARROLL, SIGNER OF THE DECLARATION
As Congress is now to legislate for our extensive territory lately acquired, I pray to Heaven that they may build up the system of the government on the broad, strong, and sound principles of freedom. Curse not the inhabitants of those regions, and of the United States in general, with a permission to introduce bondage [slavery].
11JOHN DICKINSON, SIGNER OF THE CONSTITUTION; GOVERNOR OF PENNSYLVANIA That men should pray and fight for their own freedom and yet keep others in slavery is certainly acting a very inconsistent, as well as unjust and perhaps impious, part.
12 JOHN JAY, PRESIDENT OF CONTINENTAL CONGRESS, ORIGINAL CHIEF JUSTICE U. S. SUPREME COURT
The whole commerce between master and slave is a perpetual exercise of the most boisterous passions, the most unremitting despotism on the one part, and degrading submissions on the other. . . . And with what execration [curse] should the statesman be loaded, who permitting one half the citizens thus to trample on the rights of the other. . . . And can the liberties of a nation be thought secure when we have removed their only firm basis, a conviction in the minds of the people that these liberties are of the gift of God? That they are not to be violated but with His wrath? Indeed I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just; that his justice cannot sleep forever.
13THOMAS JEFFERSON Christianity, by introducing into Europe the truest principles of humanity, universal benevolence, and brotherly love, had happily abolished civil slavery. Let us who profess the same religion practice its precepts . . . by agreeing to this duty.
14RICHARD HENRY LEE, PRESIDENT OF CONTINENTAL CONGRESS; SIGNER OF THE DECLARATION I hope we shall at last, and if it so please God I hope it may be during my life time, see this cursed thing [slavery] taken out. . . . For my part, whether in a public station or a private capacity, I shall always be prompt to contribute my assistance towards effecting so desirable an event.
15 WILLIAM LIVINGSTON, SIGNER OF THE CONSTITUTION; GOVERNOR OF NEW JERSEY [I]t ought to be considered that national crimes can only be and frequently are punished in this world by national punishments; and that the continuance of the slave-trade, and thus giving it a national sanction and encouragement, ought to be considered as justly exposing us to the displeasure and vengeance of Him who is equally Lord of all and who views with equal eye the poor African slave and his American master.
16LUTHER MARTIN, DELEGATE AT CONSTITUTIONAL CONVENTION As much as I value a union of all the States, I would not admit the Southern States into the Union unless they agree to the discontinuance of this disgraceful trade [slavery].
17 Honored will that State be in the annals of history which shall first abolish this violation of the rights of mankind.
18 JOSEPH REED, REVOLUTIONARY OFFICER; GOVERNOR OF PENNSYLVANIA Domestic slavery is repugnant to the principles of Christianity. . . . It is rebellion against the authority of a common Father. It is a practical denial of the extent and efficacy of the death of a common Savior. It is an usurpation of the prerogative of the great Sovereign of the universe who has solemnly claimed an exclusive property in the souls of men.
19 BENJAMIN RUSH, SIGNER OF THE DECLARATION Justice and humanity require it [the end of slavery]–Christianity commands it. Let every benevolent . . . pray for the glorious period when the last slave who fights for freedom shall be restored to the possession of that inestimable right.
20 NOAH WEBSTER, RESPONSIBLE FOR ARTICLE I, SECTION 8, ¶ 8 OF THE CONSTITUTION Slavery, or an absolute and unlimited power in the master over the life and fortune of the slave, is unauthorized by the common law. . . . The reasons which we sometimes see assigned for the origin and the continuance of slavery appear, when examined to the bottom, to be built upon a false foundation. In the enjoyment of their persons and of their property, the common law protects all.
21 JAMES WILSON, SIGNER OF THE CONSTITUTION; U. S. SUPREME COURT JUSTICE [I]t is certainly unlawful to make inroads upon others . . . and take away their liberty by no better means than superior power.
22 JOHN WITHERSPOON, SIGNER OF THE DECLARATION Other prominent Founding Fathers who were members of societies for ending slavery included Richard Bassett, James Madison, James Monroe, Bushrod Washington, Charles Carroll, William Few, John Marshall, Richard Stockton, Zephaniah Swift, and many more.
In fact, based in part on the efforts of these Founders, Pennsylvania and Massachusetts abolished slavery in 1780; 24 Connecticut and Rhode Island did so in 1784; 25 Vermont in 1786; 26 New Hampshire in 1792; 27 New York in 1799; 28 and New Jersey did so in 1804.
29 Additionally, the reason that Ohio, Indiana, Illinois, Michigan, Wisconsin, and Iowa all prohibited slavery was a Congressional act, authored by Constitution signer Rufus King 30 and signed into law by President George Washington, 31 which prohibited slavery in those territories.
32 It is not surprising that Washington would sign such a law, for it was he who had declared:
I can only say that there is not a man living who wishes more sincerely than I do to see a plan adopted for the abolition of it [slavery].
33 The truth is that it was the Founding Fathers who were responsible for planting and nurturing the first seeds for the recognition of black equality and for the eventual end of slavery. This was a fact made clear by Richard Allen. Allen had been a slave in Pennsylvania but was freed after he converted his master to Christianity.
Allen, a close friend of Benjamin Rush and several other Founding Fathers, went on to become the founder of the A.M.E. Church in America. In an early address "To the People of Color," he explained:
Many of the white people have been instruments in the hands of God for our good, even such as have held us in captivity, [and] are now pleading our cause with earnestness and zeal. 34
Read the Slave Narratives. Yes, some slaves wanted to leave, but they wanted freedom. It doesn't always mean they were treated badly.
Not a myth.
I really need to re-read the story of Noah again.
I guess if that is the case, I can see why Southerners thought that way. Logical isn't it?
Someone sent me a link a few days ago, that has the USS
Harriet Lane firing the first shot.
I am proud. If you grew up in Texas, then why are you insulting your own people?!
Many of our founding fathers owned slaves. Are they "burning in hell"?
Pard:
Don't waste your time on that scalawag. There is only one thing worse than a Yankee, and that is a Texan/Southerner turned traitor to his own people.
Time to get a rope (HUMOR) :)
No...your people are TEXANS (if they were born here)and Southerners. Something that anyone with an education would be proud of. Wanna see a REAL Traitor? Look in your own mirror.
And YOU are the lowest form of slimy life that ever crawled!
Pathetic!
The hell do you want from me? You want me to say "all Yankees raped Southern women"?
The fact that the article that they signed was being underminded was the just cause for breaking the contract.
"Slaves were not free under British rule. "
In 1772, slavery was abolished under British law.
Don't know how to make it any clearer.
"Because some of the Southerners would not give them up, "
I'm sorry, did I just smell a hypocrate? How many times does one have to point out that the North ahd slaves before you will aknowledge this?
I guess the North is just infallible to you. As is Lincoln. He's your own personal Jesus, isn't he?
"Did not have to be, it was the normally accepted view of the meaning of the word.
What does the word mean now, without criminal being mentioned? "
What one word are you refering to? Look at HOW it's worded. Then form a cohesive argument.
"Because getting rid of slavery was not a simple task.
There was the responsibilty to the slaves themselves.
Laws were passed to prevent freeing slaves by those who wanted to keep them.
Some of the Founders did release them, "
Why did they have slaves in the first place then?
If it wasn't such a simple task, then why was it forced upon the South (and ONLY the South) in one fell-swoop of the quill?
Oh, and my question/request is still here:
What justification did the North have to invade? By law.
"At least Lincoln acknowledged that blacks were entitled to the same rights granted whites under the Declaration of Independence."
That was after he acknowledged they weren't.
Like I said, he's Kerry+Byrd.
And for quoting Davis: I don't recall once having defended the South's view on slavery. I have only attacked the North for it's bully-tactics based in hypocracy.
The Harriet Lane DID fire the first shot of the war.
When did he acknowledge that they weren't?
And for quoting Davis: I don't recall once having defended the South's view on slavery. I have only attacked the North for it's bully-tactics based in hypocracy.
You don't consider attacking Lincoln as racist while remaining silent on southern leaders views that were as bad or worse isn't hypocritical?
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