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Confederacy of the determined - (Southern heritage buffs vow "Confederate History Month")
WASHINGTON TIMES.COM ^ | APRIL 24, 2005 | Christina Bellantoni

Posted on 04/24/2005 6:08:20 PM PDT by CHARLITE

Southern heritage buffs vow to use the Virginia gubernatorial election as a platform for designating April as Confederate History and Heritage Month.

The four candidates have differing views on the Confederacy, an issue that has been debated for years in the commonwealth.

"We're not just a few people making a lot of noise," said Brag Bowling, a spokesman for the Sons of Confederate Veterans, the oldest hereditary organization for male descendents of Confederate soldiers. "This is not a racial thing; it is good for Virginia. We're going to keep pushing this until we get it."

Each candidate recently shared his thoughts on what Mr. Bowling called a "litmus test for all politicians." Lt. Gov. Timothy M. Kaine would not support a Confederate History and Heritage Month. Former state Attorney General Jerry W. Kilgore would support something that recognizes everyone who lived during the Civil War.

Sen. H. Russell Potts Jr. and Warrenton Mayor George B. Fitch would support a Confederate History and Heritage Month. Many past Virginia governors honored the Civil War or the Confederacy.

In 1990, former Gov. L. Douglas Wilder, the nation's first black governor, a Democrat and a grandson of slaves, issued a proclamation praising both sides of the war and remembering "those who sacrificed in this great struggle."

Former Govs. George Allen and James S. Gilmore III, both Republicans, issued Confederate History Month proclamations. In 2000, Mr. Gilmore replaced that proclamation with one commemorating both sides of the Civil War -- a move that enraged the Sons of Confederate Veterans.

Gov. Mark Warner, a Democrat, has refused to issue a gubernatorial decree on either side of the Civil War.

Mr. Kaine, another Democrat, would decline to issue a Confederate History and Heritage Month proclamation if he is elected governor, said his campaign spokeswoman, Delacey Skinner.

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To: mac_truck

Mac:

I am quite sure that you are aware that Davis was chosen by the Provisional Congress. That Congress WAS elected. So Davis was elected indirectly, but elected.


1,141 posted on 05/12/2005 4:27:45 AM PDT by TexConfederate1861 (Secession...Not just an idea!....a RIGHT!)
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To: fortheDeclaration

Apparently you didn't read your OWN posting:
"The best the National Socialist German Workers Party (NSDAP) could do in a election was 37.3 per cent of the vote they gained in July 1932. When Hitler became chancellor in January 1933, the Nazis only had a third of the seats in the Reichstag."

Do you consider 37.3% of an elected body to be a MANDATE?
Hitler was NOT elected democratically.


1,142 posted on 05/12/2005 4:31:19 AM PDT by TexConfederate1861 (Secession...Not just an idea!....a RIGHT!)
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To: TexConfederate1861
Well, to some Lincoln is guilty as well. Sherman's Army, case & point.

Again, some bizarre thinking going on.

Lincoln did not order anyone murdered.

Moreover, while Sherman did do alot of materal damage, very few civilians were killed.

He had strict orders against physical harm against them.

Those who were caught doing so, were hung.

It is so funny to see you Paleo-Confederate's do everything you can to avoid dealing with the fact that the Confederacy stood for slavery.

1,143 posted on 05/12/2005 4:36:19 AM PDT by fortheDeclaration (Gal.4:16)
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To: fortheDeclaration

Wrong again:

The Department of the Trans-Mississippi was still in operation. The Government west of the Mississippi still existed.


1,144 posted on 05/12/2005 4:38:13 AM PDT by TexConfederate1861 (Secession...Not just an idea!....a RIGHT!)
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To: fortheDeclaration

Read my earlier post about Trans-Mississippi.


1,145 posted on 05/12/2005 4:40:43 AM PDT by TexConfederate1861 (Secession...Not just an idea!....a RIGHT!)
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To: fortheDeclaration

YES...he did....read the Civil War Times.


1,146 posted on 05/12/2005 4:41:29 AM PDT by TexConfederate1861 (Secession...Not just an idea!....a RIGHT!)
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To: fortheDeclaration

So, you are saying someone can't resign from the service without breaking an oath? That is LUDICROUS!

Officers resign their commissions regularly.


1,147 posted on 05/12/2005 4:43:12 AM PDT by TexConfederate1861 (Secession...Not just an idea!....a RIGHT!)
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To: TexConfederate1861
Apparently you didn't read your OWN posting: "The best the National Socialist German Workers Party (NSDAP) could do in a election was 37.3 per cent of the vote they gained in July 1932. When Hitler became chancellor in January 1933, the Nazis only had a third of the seats in the Reichstag." Do you consider 37.3% of an elected body to be a MANDATE? Hitler was NOT elected democratically.

I never said Hitler had a majority of the vote.

We have had Presidents who did not get the majority of the vote either.

Under the system that the Germans were using, (proportional voting), coalition governments are formed.

The Nazi's were elected into power and had at least 33% of the vote.

As such Hilter represented a legitimate political party (using terror tactics) and was appointed to be Chanceller because his Party had a large enough representatives to be considered legitimate.

Moreover, the Communists were also represented in the Reichstag as well, which is why Hitler got the appointment.

So, Hilter was elected to office democratically, in a Parliamentary method

1,148 posted on 05/12/2005 4:45:02 AM PDT by fortheDeclaration (Gal.4:16)
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To: fortheDeclaration

And you will do anything to ignore the fact that the Kilpatrick Raid on Richmond was a direct attempt to kill the Confederate Government!

That "dog" isn't gonna hunt.


1,149 posted on 05/12/2005 4:45:03 AM PDT by TexConfederate1861 (Secession...Not just an idea!....a RIGHT!)
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To: TexConfederate1861
And you will do anything to ignore the fact that the Kilpatrick Raid on Richmond was a direct attempt to kill the Confederate Government!

You talk about a dog not hunting.

What proof do you have that Lincoln ordered such an action?

NONE.

But following the typical Southern mythology pattern, you and your merry band of Paleo-Confederates will continue to spread that lie, thinking it justifies your approval of what Booth did.

1,150 posted on 05/12/2005 5:00:44 AM PDT by fortheDeclaration (Gal.4:16)
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To: TexConfederate1861
So, you are saying someone can't resign from the service without breaking an oath? That is LUDICROUS! Officers resign their commissions regularly.

No, you are resigning so you will not have to fulfill the oath, thus breaking it.

You are choosing your State over the oath you took to defend your Nation against all enemies, foreign and domestic.

1,151 posted on 05/12/2005 5:03:47 AM PDT by fortheDeclaration (Gal.4:16)
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To: TexConfederate1861
YES...he did....read the Civil War Times.

Really?

Wow, if it in the Civil War Times it must be true!

According to the show that the History Channel did, there is no real evidence linking Lincoln to the bizarre notion of killing the Confederate government.

1,152 posted on 05/12/2005 5:06:53 AM PDT by fortheDeclaration (Gal.4:16)
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To: fortheDeclaration

So who appointed the History Channel as God?
The Civil War Times is a very credible publication.


1,153 posted on 05/12/2005 5:37:54 AM PDT by TexConfederate1861 (Secession...Not just an idea!....a RIGHT!)
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To: TexConfederate1861
So who appointed the History Channel as God? The Civil War Times is a very credible publication.

No one, but the History channel is pretty creditable also.

And it doesn't sound as 'cut and dry' as you would like it make sound.

1,154 posted on 05/12/2005 5:41:28 AM PDT by fortheDeclaration (Gal.4:16)
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To: fortheDeclaration

Think what you wish. We can argue this point till H*ll freezes over, and you aren't going to convince me, nor will I convince you. We have different ideas of what loyalty to one's country is. Robert E. Lee felt a higher duty to his home, so do I. The place where you are born, bred, educated, and nurtured should have the first claim of allegiance. That concept was very popular until the WBTS.

But, believe as you will, and so will I.


1,155 posted on 05/12/2005 5:43:31 AM PDT by TexConfederate1861 (Secession...Not just an idea!....a RIGHT!)
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To: fortheDeclaration

I wish I had the issue #, etc. for you. I know that the article I read showed actual official documents, etc. to back up the claim.

Even at that, you must at least give it the benefit of the doubt that it COULD have possibly happened.


1,156 posted on 05/12/2005 5:45:47 AM PDT by TexConfederate1861 (Secession...Not just an idea!....a RIGHT!)
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To: M. Espinola
Let me make it real clear, no way in hell. Would you?

Certainly, if they petitioned for admission, why should I deny them? After all, I'm not a RACIST -YOU just admitted to being one!

1,157 posted on 05/12/2005 7:11:48 AM PDT by 4CJ (||) OUR sins put Him on that cross. HIS love for us kept Him there.(||)
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To: M. Espinola
Lee's surrendered at Appomattox on April 9th, 1865. Lincoln's assassination was on April 15th, 1865.

How astute - one army had surrendered, not all the Confederate armies. Congress itself declared that the act occured DURING the war.

then you typically spin it once again by claiming not to condone assassination of US Presidents you do no happen to agree with, real nice, but it does not wash.

Lincoln condoned it, because HE approved of the Lieber Code. Until then, it was illegal. And I still do not condone assassination, yet you appear to, as YOU have yearned for Southerners to be exterminated, and have no problem with President Davis, his cabinet, and the citizens of Richmond being murdered.

As far as the revenge aspect during 1865, you seem to want revenge the way you rant on and refuse to address the 100 years after Lincoln's murder.

Crime happens to this day - racial crimes, crimes by whites, crimes by blacks, it happens in the north and south, blacks and WHITES were lynched NORTH and SOUTH. It's not just a southern thing, no matter how you try to spin it.

1,158 posted on 05/12/2005 7:59:04 AM PDT by 4CJ (||) OUR sins put Him on that cross. HIS love for us kept Him there.(||)
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To: fortheDeclaration
Funny, I don't see any representives of the Confederate government listed.

What? The Confederate government never surrendered? We are still at war? Who knew? The reenactments will now turn serious. Yeeeehaaww!

1,159 posted on 05/12/2005 8:06:16 AM PDT by rustbucket
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To: TexConfederate1861; fortheDeclaration
The Department of the Trans-Mississippi was still in operation. The Government west of the Mississippi still existed.

You are correct. The Trans-Mississippi Department functioned more or less as an independent government after the fall of Vicksburg. At various times after that, the Confederate Congress gave the power to suspend the priviledge of habeas corpus to the President, Secretary of War, and the general commanding the Trans-Mississippi:

That during the present invasion of the Confederate States the privilege of the writ of habeas corpus be, and the same is hereby, suspended; but such suspension shall apply only to the cases of persons arrested or detained by order of the President, Secretary of War, or the general officer commanding the Trans-Mississippi Military Department, by the authority and under the control of the President. It is hereby declared that the purpose of Congress in the passage of this act is to provide more effectually for the public safety by suspending the writ of habeas corpus in the following cases, and no others:

1,160 posted on 05/12/2005 8:37:31 AM PDT by rustbucket
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