Posted on 03/29/2005 8:58:34 AM PST by Long Cut
We, the Witness Protection Program For Freepers, aka the Wild Turkeys, aka the Coalition of the Sane, have through mutual discussion and rigourous thought, determined that:
1. The discussion threads regarding Terri Schiavo (hereafter referred to as "TS") have become too full of innuendo, rumormongering, hyperbole, hysteria, namecalling, paranoia, and general poor behavior to warrant participation.
2. Said threads have degenerated into "echo chambers", wherein the same, common thoughts are continually posted again and again, and the same old disreputable, unconfirmed and/or false urban myths are propagated.
3. Anyone who joins in said theads with alternative viewpoints to the most extreme posts are routinely driven away with slander, accusations, and vile namecalling.
4. No data or evidence contrary to the "prevailing opinions" are accepted, considered, or discussed; and in fact are rejected outright in most instances.
5. That the continued calls for armed insurrection, military or paramilitary involvement, impeachements of politicians and judges, and death threats are embarassing, stupid, shortsighted, doomed to failure, and contrary to most if not all conservative thought prior to this case, as well as damaging in the extreme to FR and the conservative movement as a whole.
6. That such emotional, hyperbolic, and propaganda-driven hysteria is in fact contrary to all conservatives USED to stand for.
7. That the holding up of swastika and other Nazi imagery towards the police and the Bushes, the use of children as political props, and the disruption of the peace at the Woodside Hospice can only reflect badly on conservatives in general, and should be discouraged.
8. That the pursuit of this issue to the exclusion of all others by the GOP has damaged, perhaps beyond repair, the pursuit of other important issues as well as the reputation of the GOP, FR, and conservatism.
The WPPFF is NOT of one mind as to the case of TS or its correct outcome. In fact, wide disagreement exists within our little group. However, we are united in our wish that reason and sanity be respected in the discussion, as well as the rights of all parties involved or participating. We wish to discuss this as adults and intellectuals, as conservatives and as FRiends, not as children screaming past each other on some playground of hysteria. We wish for facts and evidence to be provided, discussed reasonably, and considered fairly.
We reject all accusations of Naziism, "death cultism", or other slander as methods of debate. We reject the practice of "spamming" multiple threads, of posting unending vanities, and the posting of propaganda and calls for violence. We reject, in fact, all unseemly and childish behavior which has come to characterize this case on FR.
We DO invite others to come and reasonably discuss the issue. We have no problem with FReepers who wish to debate in a rational and fair manner, and with due respect for their fellow FReepers. We have NO problem with those whose views are formed by religion; however we reject "preaching" or "being beaten with a Bible" as legitemite debate tactics. Not all of us are Believers, and such tactics only cheapen the source.
If a FReeper finds this an acceptable meansd to discuss this and other issues, they are welcome to join in and participate. Those who find pleasure in attacks, flame-baiting, slander, stalking, and personal atacks will be ignored, and their egos will go unfed.
We assume this thread to be a zone of sanity in an overheated atmosphere. Thus, a general amnesty is in effect. If posters conduct themselves within the guidlines above, we will be happy to discuss and debate with you. If a poster wishes to apologize for past slips of the tongue, or for possible "over-the-top" statements to another, it will be graciously accepted, and your company welcome.
Please bring a sense of humor; we feel that too many have been taking themselves too seriously lately.
Let the discussion begin!
Signed,
The WPPFF, aka The Wild Turkeys, aka the Coalition of the Sane.
No attorney worth their salt lets their client{s} out in front of the cameras without some planning. I think thats true on both sides. Unfortunately or fortunately, the media and the public don't make judicial decisions. So I'm not sure that all this TV time was meant to do anything constructive.
They spend too much time w/the court system, only to get dejected and rejected, time after time.
Now, they've appealed to the Supremes, again this afternoon.
I personally liked Sen. Santorum stamping his feet about the Federal Court System. They haven't even begun to decide if the Law was Constitutional or not. I don't know if it will ever get to that now, but can you imagine the hissy fit that will be thrown by some if the SC decision turned out to be MYODB.
Parents Lawyer Thwarted Plans to Send (2,000) Milita to Aid Terri Schiavo
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1374195/posts
Well, hypocrisy is worse. I was on another thread and no one could explain to me why an elderly woman's age made her any different than Terri. It was about Mr. Schindler pulling life support on his mother.
Waste of airtime.
Yesterday, Mrs. Schindlers plea to MS, to give her child back to her wasn't productive & fell on deaf ears.
I'll bet MS hasn't seen tv or tv news for the past 13 days or longer.
I understand, but was clarifying (in light of the parsing about "the father didn't say it, the attorney said it") that the Schindlers allowed their attorney to voice a characterization on their behalf and did not correct her. That's the same as if they had said it themselves.
I don't know what was disturbing about Felos' description, frankly. After he spoke the Schindlers and/or their spokespeople then basically echoed him to a degree (with some embellishments in the other direction about how she's "alert") so evidently he had spoken the truth.
The truth is not disturbing. Misrepresentations are.
And they're debating whether this would have been a "good idea." Looney Toons still exist here I'm afraid.
And how can anyone follow what the parents, et al, are saying?
One minute, she looks like someone from a concentration camp.
Next minute, she looks fine, alert, talking & ready to dance.
Any wonder why the courts have a hard time believing the Schindlers?
Thought you belonged here.
I watched Mrs. Schindler late last night. They had all the media waiting with bated breath for a 1 minute statement. Ok...now I am sounding way too cynical.
But as a daughter who has had to go through this with a parent, I don't think that I could expose my grief and exploit their suffering in front of the MSM. Especially, when I know it wouldn't change anything. If I thought that the media or the public could change the situation then it would be a different story. IMHO
Interesting and good for the lawyers from stopping that spectacle from taking place.
I think that Felos and Michael Schiavo would have asked Judge Greer for a photographer and proven them to be liars.
And dont forget...The brother of Terri, I think his name is Bobby, claimed on TV(and no, I dont have any links to this)a few days ago, that Terri looked like someone out of a concentration camp, or made references to Terri and the physical attributes of the camp prisoners, as being similar..
I was struck by this, because I did not think it was possible, for someone who looked healthy physically in relation to nutrition, and that in a matter of 10 days a person could actually go from that healthy looking state to one of concentration camp prisoners...just did not seem credible to me...
I wondered if maybe the dehydration, had changed her so much, that he felt she looked like a concentration camp prisoner, but had a hard time believing that...
This brother also tried to say, that if folks believed that she looked healthy after, lets say 10 days of having no nutrition, that they should come down to Florida, and go see Terri and see for themselves...now, he knew full well, that no one can see Terri, for such a reason...
I just have to keep it in my mind, that the Schindler family, is in unbearable suffering, and will most likely say anything at this point...
You can bet on it.
That's a good comparison, Michael Jackson et.al. Maybe the Schindlers are taking too much advice from the likes of Randall Terry. Just goes to show you they are truly blind.
I think that is a great post.
With all the mixed feeling I'm experiencing with this case- one thing I'm fairly clear on- Felos is an oddball. In fact- he gives me the willies. But that's got nothing to do with his ability as an attorney.
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