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Out of control at Camp Crazy! (Girl soldiers Gone Wild)
New York Daily News ^ | February 5, 2005 | BRIAN KATES

Posted on 02/06/2005 6:45:18 AM PST by presidio9

In front of a cheering male audience, two young women wearing only bras and panties throw themselves into a mud-filled plastic kiddie pool and roll around in a wild wrestling match.

At one point a man in the audience raises a water bottle and douses the entwined pair.

At another, a "referee" moves in to break up the scantily clad grapplers.

A young blond lifts her T-shirt to expose her breasts. A brunette turns her back to the camera and exposes her thong undies.

These scenes, taken from 30 photos leaked to the Daily News, could have been snapped at an out-of-control frat party.

But this happened a world away from any American college.

The photos were taken in Camp Bucca, the military prison at Umm Qasr in the hot sands of southern Iraq near the Kuwaiti border.

The women are not coeds but military policewomen who had left their uniforms in a pile not far off.

The men are soldiers, too. Most of them wore T-shirts emblazoned with Army logos, but at least one was still wearing his uniform.

Some were sergeants, including the referee, and some allegedly were drunk.

The photos were taken last Oct. 30, in the same period when enemy detainees were being transferred to Camp Bucca from Abu Ghraib, the prison made notorious by photos of Americans torturing naked Iraqis.

The Camp Bucca pictures document no such abuses.

But they do show what experts called a disconcerting lapse in discipline at a time when Army brass was touting the camp as a model of reform.

"It was basically a goodbye party for those of us who were leaving and a welcome party for those coming in," the alleged referee, Sgt. Emil Ganim of the 160th Military Police Battalion, told The News. "It was a chance for people to blow off some steam before coming home after spending a year in a combat zone."

But one participant described less-benign behavior.

Two sergeants, she said, told her "they had been lending out their room for soldiers to have sex" - a serious infraction of military regulations.

One female soldier, a prison guard with the 160th Military Police Battalion, was photographed baring her breast and showing off her thong panties.

The picture apparently was taken in the room of one of those sergeants, an investigator reported.

The witness told investigators that two high-ranking noncommissioned officers, a first sergeant and a master sergeant, were present. She "noted that these NCOs had been drinking and were noticeably drunk," the report said.

Ganim said American civilians at the camp also participated in the party, and "if anybody had liquor, it was them."

Ganim has since returned to his civilian job as a deputy sheriff in Leon County, Fla.

"It appears that this event was allegedly coordinated by NCOs [sergeants] of the 160th," according to the initial investigation.

One of the soldiers told investigators the mud-wrestling match was underway when she arrived.

"She took off her uniform and joined the other female soldiers that were wrestling," the report says. But "once soldiers started asking for the females to expose themselves [she and two of the other wrestlers] put their uniforms back on and left the area."

But at least one woman was not deterred.

Deanna Allen, a 19-year-old prison guard with the 105th MP Battalion, smiled and lifted her T-shirt. Photos show a man standing close to her and leering at her breasts while another G.I. snaps pictures.

"From what I understand they dared her to do it," said Allen's grandmother, Luci Tomlin, in Black Mountain, N.C. "It was a loose moment. She is a strong-headed young lady. Sometimes she can be a little irrational."

Allen, who is still stationed in Iraq, did not respond to E-mailed questions from The News. She was demoted in rank to private first class.

"A sex party with alcohol that is prohibited would suggest a serious breakdown of military discipline," said Washington-based lawyer Eugene Fidell, a military-justice expert. "Just how it would be handled would be determined by the commander, who has very broad discretion in situations like this.

Fidell said punishments could range from "a good chewing out to loss of rank" for enlisted personnel and "a letter or career-killing transfer" for officers who allowed it to happen.


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To: Vets_Husband_and_Wife

See, behind all your yelling, name-calling, etc., we find very little substance. And what do you know? Apparently I know more about the military than you do. Go figure!


641 posted on 02/08/2005 10:44:11 AM PST by Coop (In memory of a true hero - Pat Tillman)
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To: Vets_Husband_and_Wife
Only someone who never served, or had problems when they did, wouldn't understand it.

Allow me to control my seething anger at your insipid, insulting, holier-than-thou comments while I respond. I was raised in the military; my father retired from the AF. He served in WWII and Korea. I served for 8 years in the navy and went to 'Nam.

When you have walked a mile in these kid's moccasins, you have the right to criticize. I haven't and I won't.

In 'Nam, we didn't face the randomness of IED's killing our buddies, or Islamofacist nutjobs blowing themselves and as many people as they could take with them on a daily basis.

Were these people in a duty status when this occurred, my position would be very different; I would say throw the book at them. But, from what I have read, they were off duty and blowing of steam.

Allow me to tell you the story of a nurse I knew who was stationed at Khe Sanh. After getting tanked at the O club on the base, she and several other OFFICERS went out and held an anti-war rally ON BASE. Some, the few who still had them, burned their draft cards. Granted, pretty tame by this current group's actions, but extremely inflammatory for the day. The senior officers knew not to interfere and let them blow off steam.

The next morning, just as it was with these kids in Iraq, the whole thing was over.

When you have lived in THEIR world, walked in THEIR boots, you have the right to criticize their actions.

But, you haven't and you don't.

And, yes, I was honorably discharged, not a trouble maker, never been in trouble. I was an aircrewman and repaired sophisticated electronics equipment.
642 posted on 02/08/2005 11:06:51 AM PST by DustyMoment (Repeal CFR NOW!!)
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To: NavyDoc
1. The kid did something stupid, but by no means does it rise to the point of courts martial. I'd even suggest that office hours were too much. What should have happened was that her platoon SGT should have given her A). A butt chewing for being an idiot, B). An unpleasant assignment such as a latrine cleaning, and C). Forgotten about it and chalk it up to stupid soldier tricks. The CO shouldn't have even found out. You've got the troops in line, so , while you shouldn't crucify them for every dumb move, you've got to nip such shenanigans in the bud. That begs the question: why was she before the CO for something that merited a gruff,"Knock it the hell off?" I'm sorry I've only 19 years in, but in my experience junior enlisted usually don't go before the man for minor stuff unless they've been a problem all along. The articles don't mention her prior service, but model soldiers don't get busted a paygrade for minor stuff.

Concur with all of the above. This has been blown waaaaayyyyyy out of proportion.
643 posted on 02/08/2005 11:12:36 AM PST by DustyMoment (Repeal CFR NOW!!)
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To: DustyMoment

Excuse me, but again, read our profiles.


644 posted on 02/08/2005 12:42:32 PM PST by Vets_Husband_and_Wife
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To: Coop; DustyMoment
FYI, it is also punishable to get "sunburned severely" and be incapacitated. When we enlist or join and become officers, we become property of the Government.

As to you educating me on the military, I submit you honestly need to read our profiles. Though they are actually brief compared to our years served, they should enlighten you somewhat to our service.

As to me running, that's because we are raising a 7 year old grandson and have a life.

I'm not here every day like some people, though I wish I could be. Those were the good ole' days.

FRegards.
645 posted on 02/08/2005 12:51:15 PM PST by Vets_Husband_and_Wife
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To: NavyDoc

what's the point of your question?

I was being sarcastic.


Other than actually not being there, being in the Navy when it all went down. I also had the pleasure of standing in line at the NFCU on Little River Turnpike next to the bitch! who actually started the whole thing.


646 posted on 02/08/2005 12:57:06 PM PST by Hammerhead
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To: Vets_Husband_and_Wife

Whoop-de-woop! You aren't that special.

I've done a lot of nifty things in my life, too. So did my dad.

We just choose not to wear it on our sleeves.


647 posted on 02/08/2005 1:02:09 PM PST by DustyMoment (Repeal CFR NOW!!)
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To: DustyMoment

Now I really "do" have to run.

BTW, thank you for your service. Despite any difference of opinion, we appreciate you serving and that of your Dad too.


648 posted on 02/08/2005 1:13:24 PM PST by Vets_Husband_and_Wife
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To: Hammerhead

Sorry Hammerhead. I was on the warpath after dealings with that knuckle-dragger, Coop. I actually had a BOQ room next to her and I was in the same company at USNA with another of the major complainers. IMHO both chicks were busted being tramps and raised a fuss to cover up their embarassment. I've seen both runing around in their underware, drunk, outside the Pensacola NAS. Should have gotten more that what this spec 4 did as they were comissioned officers and should have known better.


649 posted on 02/08/2005 2:10:14 PM PST by NavyDoc
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To: DustyMoment

C'mon Dusty! (BTW I agree with your tagline about the CFR 100%!) It's not fairplay to accuse someone about not knowing about what it's like to be in the service and then accuse them about wearing it on their sleeve when they respond by posting their particulars!
It's fine to disagree with someone, but let's keep it civil. (Yes I know it's a case of the pot calling the kettle black...I let a permanant LCPL drag me down...I lost my temper dealing with a shitbird, but can't we all just get along? )


650 posted on 02/08/2005 2:16:20 PM PST by NavyDoc
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To: Vets_Husband_and_Wife
Great post........BRAVA!

Unfortunately,there are a few people on FR,who are not really Conservatives;they only imagine that they are.These people hold views are are not only bizarre,but imagine that these views are the ones most people hold,when they don't.Neither do they know or understand what they post about;especially when it's about military matters.

The ramifications of the disgusting behavior of the few,have now tarnished the heroic,unblemished record of our fine military men and women.Both times,it has been the sometimes warriors of the National Guard. Somebody had better get control of these units BEFORE they are shipped overseas.

651 posted on 02/08/2005 2:53:21 PM PST by nopardons
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To: Vets_Husband_and_Wife

Thank you for posting the salient facts!


652 posted on 02/08/2005 2:54:57 PM PST by nopardons
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To: Coop

Implied.


653 posted on 02/08/2005 3:02:38 PM PST by nopardons
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To: nopardons

Hi FRiend.

Art Commanded an Aviation Battalion for the Gaurd. He sent troops to Desert Storm where they performed brilliantly. I set up a great support system for the spouses, that thankfully, we never had to use much. We were prepared to take care of frozen pipes, cars that broke down, and a host of other every day problems, should they arise. We supported the spouses whose loved ones were deployed until they returned. It worked beautifully. We were ready for anything and I have no doubt we would have accompished our mission even if it was needed for a long time. That was the spirit of our "Gaurd Family".

The Gaurd has done an outstanding job in Iraq and Afghanistan. Art has a fellow pilot whose in the Gaurd who has already served there and come home. He flew daily in and out of the Baghdad Airport. One of his pilots from his Battalion has also flown into the same airport. In fact, they ran into each other! So Iraq became a "small world" as the saying goes. They shared the care package we sent them. And the magazines we sent them to pass the time.

We know active duty regular troops and Gaurd troops who are active too, and they are all serving us with honor and dignity. None of them would do what these people did. I'd stake my life on it.

It is always the "one or two" bad apple that give us all a bad eye.

It is our fervent hope that people will realize that these few, are not the majority. How we wish the media would show all the "good" that is being done on a daily basis in Iraq, Afghanistan and around the world by our Gaurdsmen and women and our Active Duty around the world. Instead, this kind of stuff gets all the publicity. It's a shame and we mean that in every sense of the word!

You are so right in your sentiments. Some people are only conservative in words, certainly not in their actions or deeds.

Take care FRiend. Good to see you again. FRegards, VH&W


654 posted on 02/08/2005 3:39:23 PM PST by Vets_Husband_and_Wife
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To: Vets_Husband_and_Wife
FYI, it is also punishable to get "sunburned severely" and be incapacitated. When we enlist or join and become officers, we become property of the Government. As to you educating me on the military, I submit you honestly need to read our profiles. Though they are actually brief compared to our years served, they should enlighten you somewhat to our service. As to me running, that's because we are raising a 7 year old grandson and have a life. I'm not here every day like some people, though I wish I could be. Those were the good ole' days. FRegards.

I'm sorry. During your holier-than-thou lecture, did I miss where you identified specific articles of the UCMJ these soldiers should have been charged with? You know, when you were educating my ignorant self.

655 posted on 02/08/2005 4:18:29 PM PST by Coop (In memory of a true hero - Pat Tillman)
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To: NavyDoc
So, you're such a cowardly punk that you not only ignore my points, but now run around calling me a "knuckle dragger."

Tell me again, please, how infantile I am.

656 posted on 02/08/2005 4:20:49 PM PST by Coop (In memory of a true hero - Pat Tillman)
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To: NavyDoc
It's not fairplay to accuse someone about not knowing about what it's like to be in the service and then accuse them about wearing it on their sleeve when they respond by posting their particulars! It's fine to disagree with someone, but let's keep it civil. (Yes I know it's a case of the pot calling the kettle black...I let a permanant LCPL drag me down...I lost my temper dealing with a shitbird, but can't we all just get along? )

Oh, it's not fa-a-a-a-ir! [sob] I think proclaiming 95 times how one's service to the military makes them an expert does qualify as wearing it on one's sleeve.

So let's see. I've lost count how many names you've called me. And what's this LCPL stuff? Did we finally get someone to help us figure out that maybe Coop did serve for a week or two? How precious. You figured out the service - finally! - but you still need a little help with the rank structure, Doc. And manners... and the UCMJ... and your temper...

657 posted on 02/08/2005 4:29:01 PM PST by Coop (In memory of a true hero - Pat Tillman)
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To: NavyDoc
It's not fairplay to accuse someone about not knowing about what it's like to be in the service and then accuse them about wearing it on their sleeve when they respond by posting their particulars!

Actually, that's not what I said. What I said was they neither they nor I have walked a mile in these kids mocassins. We never faced the possibility of being killed in battle by IEDs or the randomness of a homocide bomber blowing as many people up as he can. Their response was to refer everyone to their profile which rambles on about their combined military experience and having hepatitis C.

My dad and I both have service-connected disabilities, as does my sister (also a navy vet).
658 posted on 02/08/2005 4:30:59 PM PST by DustyMoment (Repeal CFR NOW!!)
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To: nopardons
Thank you for posting the salient facts!

Salient facts?!? Excellent! Where are they? 'cause I sure ain't seen any from "your side" in quite a while.

Then again, I'm a militarily ignorant, non-serving, permanent LCPL (whatever that means) shitbird.

659 posted on 02/08/2005 4:31:49 PM PST by Coop (In memory of a true hero - Pat Tillman)
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To: nopardons
Implied

Nope. But you are consistent with jumping to conclusions.

660 posted on 02/08/2005 4:32:47 PM PST by Coop (In memory of a true hero - Pat Tillman)
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