Posted on 02/06/2005 6:45:18 AM PST by presidio9
Gosh, that's quite a story. Must have taken you a while to type it. Too bad you couldn't use some of that time to post "salient facts" like which UCMJ articles apply. I mean, how hard could it be for a military expert who served in the military and proudly - just look at my profile! - wore our military uniform?
Hey, Doc! What happened to that extensive resume you had posted on your profile? (Or should I call it a CV?) Updating it for us? Or something else? [grin]
What's a matter Coop, ya been busted down too many times? I hope ya at least made SGT at least once. So how was being a cook? Or was it motor T? You've such a problem with authority I can't imagine you made it far.
You seem to have a problem with your temper. And I recall you mentioning how you're currently an officer (no surprise given how much importance you place on one's rank). Since you're so concerned with how our military personnel conduct themselves, I have to wonder how you feel about an officer publicly dressing down a shitbird LCPL. And insulting important contributions from our cooks and mechanics at the same time. I'd have to say there'd be some charges or official reprimand involved with that, wouldn't you?
Say, could that be why your resume/CV suddenly disappeared?!? :-D
What a little weasel you are...
I read your profile, Doc, as well as several comments of yours directly worrying about how high someone had progressed in the ranks. But I wasn't the one earlier in the thread focusing on the officers/enlisted dynamic.
OK..........I didn't put down anyone.
Sure, whatever you say.
motor T. That hit close to home, did it?
Not particularly, although I did have a HMMWV license.
C'mon Coop, let's call it quits. We just got off on the wrong foot. I'm admitting I let it get too personal on my part.
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Two words:
And lets not forget the main Capitol Hill rep - Patsy Schroeder.
As a former Naval Aviator: I detest Patsy Schroder.(She's not longer a senator, I can say htat right?)
She did all she could to emasculate the armed forces.
Okay, it's water under the bridge.
I took and still take great issue with people ready to ruin careers of those proudly defending our freedoms because of this silly nonsense.
Agreed. I believe the matter could have been (and indeed was for some personnel) handled with non-judicial punishment. I did not agree with folks being brought before a courts martial for what happened. Thx...
The sad fact remains-problems like this did not exist until females were let into the service. Those who think that there are not a host of problems with gender integrated units probably haven't been on deployment with one. I like to look at scantily clad women as much as the next guy, but I'd rather not sacrifice combat effectiveness so I can look at boobs.
Right on, Coop.
Jerks like Patsy Schroder try to destroy military careers ON ANY EXCUSE! What was a simple matter of a NCO yelling,"Knock it off, you knuckleheads!" Has become national news because some idiot released the pics to a newsman (probably because of some sort of feud with those pictured) AFTER the CO had already taken care of he matter, and the news blows it out of proportion becasue they really, really do not like us.
As for the worm that released the pics....kind of like Kerry turning on his shipmates after returning home from VN, isn't it?
Well, I like boobs for one thing!
I think intergration of women in the military has been ok. (Heck I ended up married to one (and no, we NEVER were in the same unit))
I think that the issue is not the gender of the troops but rather the expectaions of performance and discipline.
In many services the physical fitness of female are lower than that of males...I never figured that one out. As if Ivan (or now Hadji) would wait an extra 20 minutes to wait for the female troops to arrive before attacking our positions!
BTW, I am active duty military, on submarines, and I do not think that women should serve on subs. But that is due to the physical conditions and inherent complications which present themselves when cramming so many crew members into such a small space. I do not think for a moment that women are any less capable or dedicated, or that the professionals in the Submarine Force couldn't overcome the challenges. In the future, when subs are designed to accommodate coed crews, I expect that to be the norm and for the force as a whole to continue to thrive as it has in the past.
This is my second deployment with females (last time in the rear, this time with females attached to our Cav squadron form Charlie Med). In both cases around 90% of our problems have had to do with the females. They fight in their billets, when each one has several guys who are interested in them their heads swell and it becomes difficult to deal with them, they need all sorts of special accomodation (including something so simple as how to secure a spot for them to pee while on patrol) and so on. That is to say nothing of jealousy, attraction, sexual politics and lots of other problems which do not come immediately to mind. Some (a minority) of the females we have had are top notch-I've got one in the evac section right now who is a great medic. But even so, she has difficulty lifting litters which is a serious problem when you have to load an ambulance. The only way to address the inequality in physical standards you mentioned-which is completely true BTW-is to lower the standards for males, and that's not really a solution. There were prefectly good reasons that women were excluded from military service for hundreds of years and still are in many nations.
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