Posted on 02/06/2005 6:45:18 AM PST by presidio9
In front of a cheering male audience, two young women wearing only bras and panties throw themselves into a mud-filled plastic kiddie pool and roll around in a wild wrestling match.
At one point a man in the audience raises a water bottle and douses the entwined pair.
At another, a "referee" moves in to break up the scantily clad grapplers.
A young blond lifts her T-shirt to expose her breasts. A brunette turns her back to the camera and exposes her thong undies.
These scenes, taken from 30 photos leaked to the Daily News, could have been snapped at an out-of-control frat party.
But this happened a world away from any American college.
The photos were taken in Camp Bucca, the military prison at Umm Qasr in the hot sands of southern Iraq near the Kuwaiti border.
The women are not coeds but military policewomen who had left their uniforms in a pile not far off.
The men are soldiers, too. Most of them wore T-shirts emblazoned with Army logos, but at least one was still wearing his uniform.
Some were sergeants, including the referee, and some allegedly were drunk.
The photos were taken last Oct. 30, in the same period when enemy detainees were being transferred to Camp Bucca from Abu Ghraib, the prison made notorious by photos of Americans torturing naked Iraqis.
The Camp Bucca pictures document no such abuses.
But they do show what experts called a disconcerting lapse in discipline at a time when Army brass was touting the camp as a model of reform.
"It was basically a goodbye party for those of us who were leaving and a welcome party for those coming in," the alleged referee, Sgt. Emil Ganim of the 160th Military Police Battalion, told The News. "It was a chance for people to blow off some steam before coming home after spending a year in a combat zone."
But one participant described less-benign behavior.
Two sergeants, she said, told her "they had been lending out their room for soldiers to have sex" - a serious infraction of military regulations.
One female soldier, a prison guard with the 160th Military Police Battalion, was photographed baring her breast and showing off her thong panties.
The picture apparently was taken in the room of one of those sergeants, an investigator reported.
The witness told investigators that two high-ranking noncommissioned officers, a first sergeant and a master sergeant, were present. She "noted that these NCOs had been drinking and were noticeably drunk," the report said.
Ganim said American civilians at the camp also participated in the party, and "if anybody had liquor, it was them."
Ganim has since returned to his civilian job as a deputy sheriff in Leon County, Fla.
"It appears that this event was allegedly coordinated by NCOs [sergeants] of the 160th," according to the initial investigation.
One of the soldiers told investigators the mud-wrestling match was underway when she arrived.
"She took off her uniform and joined the other female soldiers that were wrestling," the report says. But "once soldiers started asking for the females to expose themselves [she and two of the other wrestlers] put their uniforms back on and left the area."
But at least one woman was not deterred.
Deanna Allen, a 19-year-old prison guard with the 105th MP Battalion, smiled and lifted her T-shirt. Photos show a man standing close to her and leering at her breasts while another G.I. snaps pictures.
"From what I understand they dared her to do it," said Allen's grandmother, Luci Tomlin, in Black Mountain, N.C. "It was a loose moment. She is a strong-headed young lady. Sometimes she can be a little irrational."
Allen, who is still stationed in Iraq, did not respond to E-mailed questions from The News. She was demoted in rank to private first class.
"A sex party with alcohol that is prohibited would suggest a serious breakdown of military discipline," said Washington-based lawyer Eugene Fidell, a military-justice expert. "Just how it would be handled would be determined by the commander, who has very broad discretion in situations like this.
Fidell said punishments could range from "a good chewing out to loss of rank" for enlisted personnel and "a letter or career-killing transfer" for officers who allowed it to happen.
I see a high quality purchase in your future.
The Knights Templar in their glory days, when they were kicking Islamist butt throughout the Holy Land.
***Alternatives to hedonistic sexual behavior.***
Read. Fight. Play football, basketball. Play video games. Study. Martial arts. Check out the local flora and fauna. Learn a new language. Preach the gospel. Make toys for the local kids. Help a charity org. Feed stray animals. Meet new people. Discuss politics. Write letters. If "entertainment" must include sex, what ever happened to playboy and/or a PRIVATE and DISCREET encounter?
Am I naive? Maybe I don't understand the power of men's sexuality. MUST you blow off steam in a sexual way? In these types of situations, how many women are raped and are then said to have asked for it? Is it good for morale to mix alcohol and sexual promiscuity? If one female soldier gives it up in the back room to one man, are the others then entitled to take it by force since she was flashing her boobies in the mud fight? How many women will file suit over this? How many will end up pregnant?
FOC
P.S. Tea parties ARE cool if you have proper English tea and biscotti.
What a slut. How can any women expose her breasts to all the men, then act in the capacity of an America military police officer and expect to be treated as an equal? This is exactly why I oppose females being deployed in combat zones. What harm does it do? It's distracting from the mission. Will the soldiers be watching for a boob flash at the checkpoint from the female MP, or terroists? Tell me.
Ha! After winning a few battles, they lost the Crusade war. And in addition that is not a good analogy because after they came back from losing the Holy Lands to Saladdin's men, King Philip IV and the Pope had the order destroyed because of homosexuality among the ranks.
FB when I was 18-25 I went to many parties, with alcohol. Not once did I see this kind of behavior. Not once. Neither did my mother or grandmother.
Yes.
Ok. It is established. I am naive, sheltered. I am not "hip" to the new-age amorality.
Let me ask you something. Are you accepting of this because it appeals to YOUR sexuality? Were you burning women's bras in the sixties? Is this what you want your daughter to grow up to be?
followerofchrist, you're surprised by this behavior. Read your bible....
"I totally agree with you. I've been very surprised that so many on here have defended the actions of these soldiers. And it's worrisome that those involved weren't able to look ahead and see what problems it could cause them personally and making the military look like immature, sex-starved adolescents. I just don't understand how it can be defended."
Any time I discuss this kind of stuff with my mom, she says "a stiff ---- has no conscience." Perhaps that applies here too. When I encounter this sort of acceptance of extreme immorality, I usually place the man's daughter in the position of the woman he is acting ungentlemanly towards. There was a 23 yo waitress at a restaurant I worked at who took off with 9 strange men on motorcycles after her shift. She met them at the bar next door, which was connected to the restaurant. I had to sign out, and when I walked in, she was on stage singing kareoke (foreplay I guess) a sexy song, hips swaying, generally making sexual moves. The men were sitting there, all drunk, with that lustful look in their eyes, like "oh, I can't wait till later on." Before I left, I told them she has two young sons at home. They asked me to stay and party. I left because I know better. Today's youth (and many adults) don't even know right from wrong and they seem oblivious to the potential danger in these situations. Tailhook, perhaps? Were these women at risk of being raped? And to observers, if they were raped, could we question whether or not they consented?
You summed it up nicely. Thanks.
"No, but a man who thinks what happened here is in any way unusual or immoral may be off his meds."
...WHAT!? It isn't immoral for women in the workplace to act as strippers act in adult clubs? Do tell, what is immoral sexual behavior? Is oral copulation "sex?" Is anal sex with another man immoral? Where do you draw the line?
Ok. I want you to tell me if this is immoral. A friend of mine is a nurse. A few of them had a going away party for a nurse friend. They hired two male strippers. The ladies' boyfriends were outside on the patio drinking beer. The men started having oral sex with some of the nurses, several of them. The nurse who told me about this got it second hand, and she mentioned that the hospital staff were shocked. Why? Because this is not normal behavior. To you, it is, right? Or is it not normal or moral because the women were in the traditional male role of objectifying the opposite sex?
Do I need to get meds so that I can learn to re-draw my moral line?
Freebilly, I am surprised by this behavior. I know it happens, but I don't like to be right when it concerns our troops, who have been put there as ambassadors of our good will. I do read my bible, which is why I know this behavior is wrong.
People will cease engaging in behavior like this when their hearts are transformed.
When Moses came back from Mt Sinai with The Commandments the Israelites were holding orgies around a golden idol. People under the compulsion of the state or a set of commandments or a religious authority will always enagage in this type of behavior when Moses is away.
It's only when people give themselves fully to God are they willing to give up this behavior. Until then, they'll behave, most of the time, until such time as they feel that Moses isn't watching....
You can't (successfully) transfer your personal morality to troops in the field. Commanders have known this for thousands of years.
Soldiers come from all walks of life, and all levels of morality/immorality. They will conduct themselves accordingly in their time off.
It's just the way it is. I agree that women shouldn't be in combat - for reasons such as this.
I was just talking to an old Korean War vet today at church about a similar thing....only this time it was mothers who didn't approve of their sons being able to smoke cigarrettes, which were included in their C-rations.
He shared some words that Chesty Puller had to say about that controversy.
Leave 'em be. I want them to kill the enemy. If what they do on their off time/leave doesn't interfere with that, I don't care. They aren't in the military to save their souls.
If it does, their commanders will know what to do, they already have plenty of experience dealing with just this sort of thing, I'd wager.
Are you out of your mind ? When the Army and the Marines are in someone's country in force as occupiers, we are most certainly NOT ambassadors.
Leave diplomacy for the State Department, the military kills people and breaks things.
follow, read the post above this one. You are WAY off base on this.
SOldiers may be human, but not act like a bunch of SE Asia bar Girls. I've never said they should be celibate, I just said that this too too much and too public. Frowning up bad public behavior is by no means a demand for celibacy.
If I may as...where did YOU serve?
Like I said, back in their glory days, before their morals went to hell--after that happened, that's when they started losing.
I used 'man' in the generic sense of 'mankind'.
She/He/It, it doesn't matter.
SO9
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