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To: HarleyD

Exactly, salvation is achieved the same way for everyone under the New Covenant. I totally agree. Therefore, since the Jews on Pentecost were told to repent and be baptized for the remission of their sins, then to say there is another way to be saved, is against the Scriptures. Cornelius was baptized, just like every other instance of salvation in the book of Acts. Baptism is the one common theme in all 10 conversion stories in Acts.

You are trying to make it sound like I am saying that people are saved differently, which I never have, and actually, I have always said the opposite. Salvation is always through hearing the Word of God, believing in Him, repenting of sins, confessing that Jesus Christ is the Son of God, and being baptized for the remission of sins.

You still have not offered proof that the Bible teaches that we are saved without the remission of sins.


782 posted on 01/27/2005 8:47:13 AM PST by jkl1122
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To: jkl1122
You still have not offered proof that the Bible teaches that we are saved without the remission of sins.

An accusation within a statement. My, my. I never said we are saved without the remission of sins. Please show the post to me and I'll correct the error.

Perhaps I haven't been clear in my explanation. Please see the following article which better articulate my views.

Is Baptism Necessary for Salvation? by Gregory Koukl

797 posted on 01/27/2005 11:12:30 AM PST by HarleyD (aka Codename: Heretic Harley-Ignorant Savage)
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To: jkl1122
One little flaw to deal with: baptism is not FOR remission of sins, but TO the remission of sins. That is literally the Greek, and it is translated that way in Young's, the LITV, and the Modern King James, among others. "Because of" would also be an equally good translation. So would "with regard to". I know the KJV-only crowd will object, but the Greek is the Greek.

The problem is, baptism is the duty of every Christian, but if they are not saved until they are baptised, then they are being baptised as an unsaved person, and only are saved after they come up out of the water. Most people's experience alone will tell them that this isn't the way it is. They were assured of their salvation BEFORE they were baptised. They were baptised in obedience to Christ's command, not in order to receive that which they already had the inward assurance that they possessed.

You're trying to make baptism a condition of salvation, when it is the sign of salvation already received. You think you know what those verses say, but you need to read them again, with a request to the Holy spirit to show you what they mean, which means you will have to let go of your preconceived idea, and let the Holy Spirit teach you.

831 posted on 01/27/2005 7:18:53 PM PST by nobdysfool (Faith in Christ is the evidence of God's choosing, not the cause of it.)
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