Evolution ruling gets cheers from scientists (Forced removal of evolution 'warning' on textbooks.)

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[Happy2BMe]

ATLANTA, Georgia (AP) -- Since 2002, Dr. Kenneth Miller has been upset that biology textbooks he has written are slapped with a warning sticker by the time they appear in suburban Atlanta schools. Evolution, the stickers say, is "a theory, not a fact."

[Jeff Gordon]

The mocker seeks wisdom and finds none,
but knowledge comes easily to the discerning. (Proverbs 14:6)

I'll drink to that!

[nightdriver]

The day is coming when we will be told the truth about our origins.

Some faces are going to be very red.

[Porterville]

Troll? How 'bout me callin' yee weak? I believe in what what and respect what you believe. Thus, respect that I have an alternative. Christ is my savior, and evolution is, in my mind, his method. My life is blessed and I pray for purification.

[cookcounty]

" Before you start throwing sticks at "scientific illiterates" you should take a look at this."

100 targets for the Neanderthal Evolutionists to harrass.

[cookcounty]

"While I don't believe that creationism should be taught in schools, why is there such a need to teach evolution at all? "

Because Evolution is based in socialistic "scientific materialism" which assumes the world is pretty easy to understand and control. "We don't really know for sure" is NOT an acceptable answer because it implies we humans to not have the ability to fix everything. And that is unacceptable to the socialist mind-set. Thus they fret and sweat that students in Georgia might see "the label" and commit the unpardonable sin ---DOUBTING the ideas of the EVOLUTIONISTS!

[weegee]

Cell division can be observed and repeated.

We "learn" biology but some deny the obvious which is why they claim that a fetus is not "alive".

[weegee]

Science is filled with approximation "constants" which are sometimes replaced by other variables. Scientific theory is refined over the course of time.

This is not to fault the scientists, it is just to say that they don't know all of the answers although to hear some tell it they are as infalible as appointed judges.

Evolution is a THEORY. It may quite well get some parts of the history correct but other elements are modified over time (again I bring up the dispute over just where man originated Asia or Africa).

The sticker said that it was a theory and not provable science (at least at this time). Some did not like this, including the author of the book. Mighty presumptive of him to "know" that he is completely right.

[bobdsmith]

No the problem was that the sticker singled out the theory of evolution without explaining why. The movement that singles out evoltution for opposition is historically religious. So people put two and two together, regarding the sticker as an attack on evolution for religious reasons, and not for scientific reasons.

If the sticker had said "ALL scientific theories should be considered with an open mind..", etc, etc then it would have been okay. But the people who drafted the sticker only wanted to cast doubt on evolution.

[kittymyrib]

The only religious belief that can't be questioned today is the evolutionist's belief that there is no God. They are as insistant as the Wahabi Muslims that they have the only correct doctrine of the origin of life, and they are just as intolerant of other beliefs. Unless they have videos of the late Carl Sagan's "billions and billions of years" of evolution, they are promoting a theory, not a fact. But I guess this one judge's ruling makes them feel better after the recent poll showed that after the last 50 years of indoctrinating US students to believe in evolution, a majority of Americans still don't buy it.

[muawiyah]

You don't need to know "why" to teach "what" when it comes to biology. Since evolution has never been seen in an independent laboratory under controlled conditions, nor has the process been duplicated by any reputable scientist, none of us can state with scientific certainty that evolution is anything other than a thought that attempts to explain why.

Creationism falls into the same category.

[Tax-chick]

Popular usage equates "fact" with "truth," but that's not the primary meaning for precise usage.

Fact: I look exactly like Catherine Zeta-Jones.
Opinion: We are the most beautiful women in America.

[expat_panama]

As far as the problem of reconciling Kings 7:23 with Euclid's Elements, I can understand your arriving at a "Biblical Accuracy Index" equal to (PI/3-1)X100, or 4.712...%.

We might consider three other approaches.   One would be that the geometry of the ancient writers was non-Euclidian and included a third spatial dimension --IOW the diameter bulged upward so it did in fact measure 10 cubits.   A second would be that they used the now standard practice of dealing with significant figures of precision, i.e., 3 = 3.1 = 3.14159...

My favored view is that even though the State and the Church are both sacred institutions, they have mortal leaders.  This conflict is a failure on both parts to comply with their respective mandates to honor each other's mission.  What I'm saying is that Dr. Kenneth Miller has failed to understand the nature of the evolutionary model, and the Atlanta School Board members failed to explain it.

The big miracle IMHO is that our Creator has somehow taken us mere humans and led us to carry forward an ever advancing civilization.  Now, that's amazing!

[muawiyah]

Are you suggesting that "thoughts" and "ideas" are not just "thoughts" and "ideas"?

Sorry ~ I don't believe in word magic.

[VadeRetro]

You don't need to know "why" to teach "what" when it comes to biology.

It's not enough to know "what." The "what" has to make sense.

[expat_panama]

VadeRetro said--  "The "what" has to make sense."

We don't always have the privilege of getting both in the same package.   I usually have to be content with the "what" and somehow come up with patience while looking for the "why".   If you're always able to get both at the same time I salute you.   OTOH, you'd be foolish to reject the 'what' just because you didn't get both in one package.

[VadeRetro]

I usually have to be content with the "what" and somehow come up with patience while looking for the "why".

"What" is just cataloging. We always go beyond mere cataloging as soon as possible.

Possibly, some sort of distaste for answers you don't like is operating here.