Posted on 01/15/2005 2:06:00 PM PST by Happy2BMe
ATLANTA, Georgia (AP) -- Since 2002, Dr. Kenneth Miller has been upset that biology textbooks he has written are slapped with a warning sticker by the time they appear in suburban Atlanta schools. Evolution, the stickers say, is "a theory, not a fact."
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Its all in the record. Look it up yourself.
Gish is a clown. He is not a biologist.
The answer to your "SO?" is if you are going to attack evolution you first need to know something about it other than a misinterpretation of the Bible.
It's all in what record? Look where?
"Gish is a clown. He is not a biologist."
Gish is a clown? Elaborate!
He's not a biologist? Since when?
Let's look at DNA and this repair mechanism, if indeed they were formed from random chance natural processes. If the repair mechanism evolved first, what use is a repair mechanism if DNA has not evolved yet? If DNA evolved first, how would the DNA even know it would be better off with a repair mechanism? Can molecules think? DNA is not a stable chemical molecule, and without a repair mechanism, it would easily deteriorate by chemical oxidation and other processes. There is no mechanism to explain how DNA could exist for millions of years while the repair mechanism evolved. DNA would just decompose back into pond scum before the alleged billions of random chance mutations could ever form the repair mechanism
-Dr. Charles McCombs is a Ph.D. Organic Chemist trained in the methods of scientific investigation, and a scientist who has 20 chemical patents.
"Duane Gish, Ph.D. Biochemistry (ICR)
He has a B.S. in Chemistry from UCLA and a Ph.D. in Biochemistry from the University of California "
This is your own post.
He is a chemist, not a biologist. He has never written a paper accept by a scientific journal on evolution that I can find.
Instead of asking me questions, why don't you do some research on your own, before you post misleading information?
Try telling the Right Wing Professor that chemistry is irrelevant to the theory of evolution. I challenge you!
It would be great to see two more brain washed evolutionist going at it.
Biochemistry - [n] the organic chemistry of compounds and processes occuring in organisms; the effort to understand biology within the context of chemistry.
"He is a chemist, not a biologist. He has never written a paper accept by a scientific journal on evolution that I can find."
SO? You can't find one. Your Point?
Gish has never written a peer reviewed paper on the subject of evolution. If you check out some of the debates Gish has been in, he has come of looking the fool each time.
You won't get RightWing and I to fight over evolution. We both understand it.
Do you work for ICR?
You can't find one either, apparently. You have never offerred any evidence from any source refuting evolution.
Education:
B.S. Chemistry, UCLA - 1949
Ph.D. Biochemistry, University of California, Berkley - 1953
Honors:
Phi Beta Kappa
Phi Sigma Upsilon
Who's Who in the West
American Men of Science
Organizations:
American Chemical Society
Fellow: American Institute of Chemists
American Association for the Advancement of Science
Professional Experience:
1953-55 Lilly Postdoctoral Fellow in the Natural Sciences, Cornell University Medical College, New York City.
1955-56 Assistant Professor of Biochemistry, Cornell University Medical College.
1956-60 Assistant Research Associate, Virus Laboratory, University of California, Berkeley.
1960-71 Research Associate, Department of Hypersensitivity, Diseases, The Upjohn Company.
Publications: (partial list)
Gish, Duane T. "The Application of p-Nitrobenzyl Chloroformate to Peptide Synthesis" (F. H. Carpenter, co-author). Journal of American Chemical Society. 1952. Vol. 74. p. 3818.
Gish, Duane T "p-Nitrobenzyloxcarbonyl Derivatives of Amino Acids" (F. H .Carpenter, co-author). Journal of American Chemical Society. 1953. Vol. 75. p. 950.
Gish, Duane T "Preparation of Arginyl Peptides" (F. H .Carpenter, co-author). Journal of American Chemical Society. 1953. Vol. 75. p. 5872.
Gish, Duane T. "A Synthetic Preparation Possessing Biological Properties Associated with Arginine-Vasopressin".(V. du Vigneaud and P. G. Katsoyannis, co-authors). Journal of American Chemical Society. 1954 Vol. 76. p. 4751.
Gish, Duane T. "Unexpected Formation of Anhydro Compounds in the Synthesis of Arginyl and Glutaminyl Peptides" (P. G. Katsoyannis, G. P. Hess, and R. J. Stedman, co-authors). Journal of American Chemical Society. 1956. Vol. 78. p. 5954.
Gish, Duane T. Synthesis of Peptides Related to Arginine-Vasopressin" (V. du Vigneaud, co-author). Journal of American Chemical Society. 1957. Vol. 79. p. 3579.
Gish, Duane T. "Synthesis of Two Protected Hexapeptides Containing the N-Terminal and C-Terminal Sequences of Arginine-Vasopressin" (P. G. Katsoyannis, G. P. Hess, and V. du Vigneaud, co-authors). Journal of American Chemical Society. 1958. Vol. 80. p. 2558.
Gish, Duane T. "Synthesis of the Pressor-Antidiuretic Hormone, Arginine-Vasopressin" (V. du Vigneaud, P. G. Katsoyannis, and G. P. Hess, co-authors). Journal of American Chemical Society. 1958. Vol. 80. p. 3355.
Gish, Duane T. "Lysine Tolerance in Infants" (E. Dubow, A. Maher, and V. Erk, co-authors). Journal of Pediatrics. 1958. Vol. 52. p. 30.
Gish, Duane T. "Studies on the Amino Acid Sequence of Tobacco Mosaic Virus (TMV) Protein I. Fractionation of Products of Tryptic Hydrolysis by Countercurrent Distribution" (L. K. Ramachandran and W. M. Stanley, co-authors). Archives of Biochemistry and Biophysics 1958. Vol. 78. p. 433.
Gish, Duane T. "Studies on the Amino Acid Sequence of Tobacco Mosaic Virus (TMV) Protein II. The Amino Acid Sequences of Six Peptides Obtained from a Tryptic Digest" (L. K. Ramachandran, co-author). Journal of American Chemical Society. 1959. Vol. 81. p. 884.
Gish, Duane T. "The Amino Acid Sequence of a Pentadeca-peptide Obtained from a Tryptic Digest of the Protein of Tobacco Mosaic Virus" Biochimica et Biophysica Acta. 1959. Vol. 35. p. 557.
Gish, Duane T. "The Isolation of the C-Terminal Peptide from a Tryptic Digest of Tobacco Mosaic Virus (TMV) Protein Establishing a Third Tryptophan Reside in TMV" Biochemical and Biophysical Research Committee. 1959. Vol. 1,p. 67.
Gish, Duane T. "Studies on the Amino Acid Sequence of Tobacco Mosaic Virus Protein III. The Amino Acid Sequence of a Pentadecapeptide From a Tryptic Digest" Journal of American Chemical Society. 1960. Vol. 82. p. 6329.
Gish, Duane T. "The Complete Amino Acid Sequence of the Protein of Tobacco Mosaic Virus" (A. Tsugita, J. Young, H. Fraenkel-Conrat, C.A. Knight, and W. M. Stanley, co-authors). Proceedings of the National Academy of Science. 1960. Vol. 46. p. 1463.
Gish, Duane T. "Studies on the Amino Acid Sequence of Tobacco Mosaic Virus (TMV) Protein IV. The Amino Acid Sequences of An Eicosapeptide and a Heptadecapeptide Isolated From a Tryptic Digest of TMV Protein" Journal of American Chemical Society. 1961. Vol. 83. p. 3303.
Gish, Duane T. "Nucleic Acis. 11. Synthesis of 5'-Esters of 1-B-D-Arabinofuranosylcytosine Possessing Antileukemic and Immunosuppressive Activity" (R. C. Kelly, G. W. Camiener, and W. J. Wechter, co-authors). Journal of Medicinal Chemistry. 1971. Vol. 14. p. 1159.
Gish, Duane T. "Nucleic Acids. 12. Synthesis of the L-Enantiomer of 1-B-D-Arabinofuranosylcytosine and of 2, 2-Anhydro-1-B-D-Arabinofuranosylcytosine" (G. L. Neil and W. J. Wechter, co-authors). Journal of Medicinal Chemistry. 1971. Vol. 14. p. 882.
Gish, Duane T. "Immunosuppressive, Antiviral and Antitumor Activities of Cytarabine Derivatives" (G. D. Gray, F. R. Nichol, M.M. Michelson, G. W. Camiener, R. C. Kelly, W. J. Wechter, T. E. Moxley, and G. L. Neil, co-authors). Biochemical Pharmacology. 1972. Vol. 21. p. 465.
Gish, Duane T. "Nucleic Acis. 14. Synthesis and Antiviral Activity of Some 5'Esters of 9-B-D-Arabinofuranosyladenine (Ara-A)" (H. E. Renis, B.A. Court, E.E. Eidson, and W. J. Wechter, co-authors). Journal of Medicinal Chemistry. 1973. Vol. 16. p. 754.
Gish, Duane T. "The Continuing Search for the Magic Bullet: Cytarabine, 1974 Symposium Aph-Academy of Pharmaceutical Sciences" (with 16 co-authors). Abstract of American Pharmacology Association. 1973. Vol. 3. p. 70.
Gish, Duane T. "Ara-Cytidine Acylates, Use of Drug Design Predictors in Structure-Activity Relationship Correlation" (W. J. Wechter, M.A. Johnson, C. M. Hall, D.T. Warner, A.E. Berger, A. H. Wenzel, and G. L. Neil, co-authors). Journal of Medicinal Chemistry. 1975. Vol. 18. p. 339.
Gish, Duane T. "Nucleic Acis. 16. Orally Active Derivatives of Ara-Cytidine" (W. J. Wechter, M.E. Greig, G. D. Gray, T. E. Moxley, S. L. Kuentzel, L. G. Gray, A. J. Gibbons, R. L. Brivvin, and G. L. Neil, co-authors). Journal of Medicinal Chemistry. 1976. Vol. 19. p. 1013.
Gish, Duane T. "Peptide Synthesis" Protein Sequence Determination. (Ed. S. B. Neddleman: Springer-Verlag, Berlin). 1970.
Now What?
Which one of those do you think is about evolution or the refutation of evolution?
At the chemical level - Many of them.
Which ones refute evolution?
If Gish wrote papers supporting evolution, that would be very interesting.
"By the way, for the last 20 years I've been a professor of chemistry. And in all those years, I've never seen such an incredible mass of complete chemical nonsense crammed into such a small space."
You will also find verifications of my statements in the following book:
DARWINS BLACK BOX: THE BIOCHEMICAL CHALLENGE TO EVOLUTION
by Michael J. Behe
Michael Behe is not a creationist. He believes in the scientific method, and he does not look to religious dogma for answers to these questions. But he argues persuasively that biochemical machines must have been designed-either by God, or by some other higher intelligence. For decades science has been frustrated, trying to reconcile the astonishing discoveries of modern biochemistry to a nineteenth century theory that cannot accommodate them. With the publication of Darwin's Black Box, it is time for scientists to allow themselves to consider exciting new possibilities, and for the rest of us to watch closely.
In Origin, Darwin stated,
If it could be demonstrated that any complex organ existed, which could not possibly have been formed by numerous, successive, slight modifications, my theory would absolutely break down. But I can find no such case.
Behe claims the data of biochemistry argues strongly that many of the molecular machines in the cell could not have arisen through a step-by-step process of natural selection. In contrast, Behe claims that much of the molecular machinery in the cell is irreducibly complex.
Something is irreducibly complex if it's composed of several parts and each part is absolutely necessary for the structure to function. The implication is that such irreducibly complex structures or machines cannot be built by natural selection because in natural selection, each component must be useful to the organism as the molecular machine is built. Behe uses the example of a mousetrap. A mousetrap has five parts that are absolutely necessary for the mousetrap to function. Take any one of these parts away and the mousetrap can no longer catch mice.
If Darwinians respond to this important book by ignoring it, misrepresenting it, or ridiculing it, that will be evidence in favor of the widespread suspicion that Darwinism today functions more as an ideology than as a scientific theory.
Peter van Inwagen
Professor of Philosophy, Notre Dame University
Do you believe in God?
Are you a creationist?
He wrote a book. So what if it is not a paper you..
If Darwinians respond to this important book by ignoring it, misrepresenting it, or ridiculing it, that will be evidence in favor of the widespread suspicion that Darwinism today functions more as an ideology than as a scientific theory.
If Darwinians respond to this important book by ignoring it, misrepresenting it, or ridiculing it, that will be evidence in favor of the widespread suspicion that Darwinism today functions more as an ideology than as a scientific theory.
Peter van Inwagen
Professor of Philosophy, Notre Dame University
No, I won't. Behe is a competent physical chemist. He'd be embarrassed by what you've posted in his name.
But then, by now I bet he's been embarrassed many times by the company he keeps.
DNA has been recovered from material tens and hundreds of thousands of years old. In special cases, it has been recovered from specimens with ages in the tens of millions of years.
Please stop posting outright falsehoods.
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0387943080/102-6563928-1637718
Another philosopher who claims he know more science than scientists.
Liar.
I'd be more than happy to provide you with my sources.
You can't. But while you're desperately failing to do so, note that I expect you to quote the exact text justifying your statements, and full references.
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