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Posted on 12/31/2004 2:21:30 PM PST by Caipirabob
- the cranky old fart who thinks anything recorded after 1963 is "drug music" listened to by the whippersnappers.
- the self-described Creative Class "high bohemian" who thinks that anything that becomes popular is bad (even if he used to listen to it) because it's become commercialized.
- the 1970's/early 80's discotechno/retro throwback who gets in trouble with his wife for running up the credit card bill on commemorative Time-Life CD sets he bought from Toni Basil off the 3AM infomercial circuit.
Of course I could be wrong and he could clear it all up by revealing his musical tastes, but methinks he's too embarassed.
typo - that should be "I can see"
I'm sure he's also got all 18 volumes of Pure Moods (tm)
On February 8, 1861, the first time Tennessee voted, the state voted 70,156 to 39,317 to remain in the Union. But in May, Governor Harris and his cohorts in the state legislature ignored the expressed will of the people and seceded. The politicians aligned themselves with the Confederacy and invited the Rebel armies to overrun the state. An election was held on June 27th to rubber stamp the actions of the politicians. East Tennessee still voted overwhelmingly to stay in the Union, but the state as a whole voted for separation. But given the presence of Confederate armies and widespread intimidation of Unionists, the legitimacy of this election was questioned by many. As the Louisville Journal commented on May 13th during the run up to the election:
"The spirit of secession appears to have reached its culminating point in Tennessee. Certainly the fell spirit has, at yet, reached no higher point of outrageous tyranny. The whole of the late proceedings in Tennessee has been as gross an outrage as ever was perpetrated by the worst tyrant of all the earth. The whole secession movement on the part of the Legislature of the State has been lawless, violent and tumultuous. The pretense of submitting the Ordinance of Secession to the vote of the people of the State after placing her military power and resources at the disposal and under the command of the Confederate States without any authority from the people, is as bitter and insolent a mockery of popular rights as the human mind could invent."
Given the behavior of Harris and his Confederate sympathizing politicians, I can understand why the people of East Tennessee would fear a lawless tyranny based in Richmond more than any possible tyranny from Washington.
The greater loss, on further thought, is the other posters who no longer put in the occasional comment or question or link, because they don't want to become involved in the stink-storm.
And the newbies who go away without ever posting anything.
You couldn't find an editorial from Tennessee?
Just wondering.
That wasn't a vote on secession, but rather a vote to call a secession convention. Several statistical studies have been done on Tennessee in 1861 that show a dramatic shift in public opinion toward secession following Lincoln's call for an army in April after Fort Sumter. The Tennessee legislature voted in response to bypass a secession convention and put the issue of secession to an up/down referendum vote of the public. That vote passed by 2 to 1 margins of 104,913 to 47,238.
But given the presence of Confederate armies and widespread intimidation of Unionists, the legitimacy of this election was questioned by many.
That's a load of garbage. If so many voters were "intimidated" to stay home in the June secession referendum why did 50,000 more people participate in it than in the February 8th vote you seem to accept as legitimate? Heck, more people voted in the June 1861 Tennessee secession referendum than in the state's November 1860 presidential election!
Of course he couldn't because he was intent upon deceiving. The June 1861 Tennessee secession referendum had over 150,000 voting participants.
Contrast that with the February 1861 secession convention vote of 110,000 and the November 1860 Presidential election vote of 146,000.
Yet he has the audacity to claim that the June 1865 election - with the HIGHEST turnout of the three - was somehow fraught with "voter intimidation." Hell, Mary Frances Berry's claims of "voter intimidation" in Florida are more credible than that absurdity. The simple fact is that popular opinion in Tennessee turned fervently toward secession after Lincoln started his little war. Secession sentiments were so intense that some counties along the Alabama border petitioned the legislature to let them separate from the state and join Alabama if Tennessee would not secede.
If you want to know what happened to your KIAs and how GOPcrapitalist brought it on, just contact Jim Robinson.
I can give you more of the story, but you're going to have to ask politely.
I didn't dream up the charges of a tainted election. The June 1861 Greeneville Convention of East Tennesseans condemned Isham Harris's coup.
"...the election held in this state on the 8th day of this month was free, with but few exceptions, in no part of the state other than East Tennessee. In the larger portions of Middle and West Tennessee, no speeches or discussions in favor of the Union were permitted. Union papers were not allowed to circulate."
"The unanimity of the votes in many large counties, where, but a few weeks ago, the Union sentiment was so strong, proves beyond a doubt that Union men were overawed by the tyranny of the military law, and the still greater tyranny of a corrupt and subsidized press."
For example in February Rutherford County rejected the convention by a vote of 1,539 to 1,003. In the June election the vote was 2,392 to 73 for secession! That's just one of the strange results from Middle and West Tennessee counties. I'm not saying that Lincoln's actions didn't have some effect. The less tainted vote in East Tennessee went from over 4 to 1 in favor of the Union in Feb. to only over 2 to 1 for the Union in June. But the returns of many counties with no votes for the Union was unusual to say the least. But beyond the election itself, Harris and the state legislature's politicians of the slave interest pulled the state out of the Union without prior authorization from the people which was obviously illegal.
Yes, that is correct.
GOPcapitalist recently compared Jeb Bush to Pontius Pilate, the man who ordered Jesus Christ to be crucified. Hard to see how someone could morally accuse others of 'Bush bashing' after making those comments, wouldn't you agree?
only damnyankees/HATERS/morons/kool aide drinkers feel that way.
free dixie,sw
the other day i posted to a NICE LADY (on one of the "veterans" threads)that given her interest in the WBTS that she should visit and/or contribute to our threads.
her comment was:
"i wouldn't lower myself to the level of the south-HATERS on those threads. i've visited a time or two & was HORRIFED & SADDENED by what they post."
i cannot argue with that, as "duckie" thinks i'm lowering myself by being "over here" & will NOT even read what's here any more. SAD!
free dixie,sw
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