Confederate States Of America (2005)

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[fortheDeclaration]

don't know of ANY FReeper (other than the DUMBEST of the damnyankee coven), who believes you to be a "tower" of intellect OR education.

Have I claimed otherwise?

[fortheDeclaration]

This nonsense that the Union was somehow morally superior in its actions is frustrating to us whose ancestors are the victims of PC historical revisionism.

The North was right and the South was wrong.

The South was fighting for the right to expand slavery.

It is in their Constitution.

The biggest mistake the GOP made was in Reconstruction, in not totally eradicating the confederate dominance that reasserted itself after the war.

[M. Espinola]

"The biggest mistake the GOP made was in Reconstruction, in not totally eradicating the confederate dominance that reasserted itself after the war."

Not having strict adherence to polices firmly dedicated to totally eradicating all aspects of confederate influences across the board, resulted in severe problems extending from the mid/late 1860's to the mid 1960's, effecting the entire nation adversely in a number of respects, plus being an embarrassment overseas, resulting in reluctance to corporately invest in such a culture's stubborn backwardness & adverse working environment until the old ways were forced to the back woods.

Governmental positions should have been filled with as many known, qualified, pro-Union Southerners as possible. A national campaign similar to post war Europe, specifically Germany's example of a major Allied effort to root out as many previous problems & future potentials from the period of 1933-1945 could not be totally enacted resulting from Russia's communist threats of expansion rapidly becoming paramount to all other concerns on the Continent.

Rigorous enforcement of existing Reconstruction policies were not handled properly in some areas. Allowing, in many cases, the same ardent pro-sucessonists Democrat politicians to regain political office, influence & power to reorganize bad habits, was a massive blunder.

Post war industry & education should have been pushed more then it was, naturally under new management. With the nation expanding westward, coupled with the age of inventions, Indian wars, railroad expansion, the major problem was the public was disinterested, coupled with tiring of tax funds heading south in order garrison troops in states which were enveloped in open rebellion during the Civil War.

[fortheDeclaration]

Not having strict adherence to polices firmly dedicated to totally eradicating all aspects of confederate influences across the board, resulted in severe problems extending from the mid/late 1860's to the mid 1960's, effecting the entire nation adversely in a number of respects, plus being an embarrassment overseas, resulting in reluctance to corporately invest in such a culture's stubborn backwardness & adverse working environment until the old ways were forced to the back woods. Governmental positions should have been filled with as many known, qualified, pro-Union Southerners as possible. A national campaign similar to post war Europe, specifically Germany's example of a major Allied effort to root out as many previous problems & future potentials from the period of 1933-1945 could not be totally enacted resulting from Russia's communist threats of expansion rapidly becoming paramount to all other concerns on the Continent. Rigorous enforcement of existing Reconstruction policies were not handled properly in some areas. Allowing, in many cases, the same ardent pro-sucessonists Democrat politicians to regain political office, influence & power to reorganize bad habits, was a massive blunder. Post war industry & education should have been pushed more then it was, naturally under new management. With the nation expanding westward, coupled with the age of inventions, Indian wars, railroad expansion, the major problem was the public was disinterested, coupled with tiring of tax funds heading south in order garrison troops in states which were enveloped in open rebellion during the Civil War.

All very true.

But don't forget the importance that Lincoln's assassination had and Johnson ( a Democrat) being made President.

Johnson was pro-Union but anti-Black and resisted all efforts by the Republican Congress to reconstruct the South.

[M. Espinola]

The duel party tickets were not workable in terms of a solid team in the White House.

In retrospect Johnson should have been impeached and if one vote had gone the other way, he would have ousted as President.

Who would have become President in 1868 if Johnson had been shown the door?

[M. Espinola]

'What's his face' was not alone in combined Union efforts to end the confederate rebellion as well as the abolition of slavery, the root festering cause leading up to the Civil War.

The guy in in question is Col. Robert Gould Shaw of Boston.

The follow statement represents the cancer infesting the nation in 1861, amplifying the necessity to administer a meaningful cure. Unfortunately hate groups like today's Klan-neo-nazis scream out indentical wording

The Confederacy was "founded...its foundations are laid, its cornerstone rests upon the great truth that the negro is not equal to the white man; that slavery, subordination to the superior race, is his natural condition. This, our new government, is the first, in the history of the world, based on this great physical, philosophical, moral truth." --Alexander Stephens, Vice President of the Confederacy, March 21st, 1861

[groanup]

I don't want to go on a quote hunt right now and I don't archive all this stuff like some of you. Do you know how many quotes are out there showing that A. Lincoln felt much the same about the black man? Believe me, for every position one wishes to take on this subject there is a quote from the 1860's to back it up.

"It must be admitted, truth compels me to admit...Abraham Lincoln was not, in the fullest sense of the word, either our man or our model. In his interests, in his associations, in his habits of thought, and in his prejudices, he was a white man. He was preeminently the white man's president, entirely devoted to the welfare of white men. He was ready and willing at any time during the last years of his administration to deny, postpone, and sacrifice the rights of humanity in the colored people, to promote the welfare of the white people of his country."

Frederick Douglass, noted African-American leader.

[M. Espinola]

I have reviewed the comments of Frederick Douglass and do not doubt his overview of old Abe, but lets face it, Lincoln was the only game in town.

Alabama George Wallace even altered his blind bigotry after suffering his own Damascus Road experience when a madman attempted to murder him.

Happy Easter-2005

[Heyworth]

Ah, the Douglass speech, a Lost Causer fave for out-of-context quote extraction. Let's see what Douglass went on to say:

"Though he loved Caesar less than Rome, though the Union was more to him than our freedom or our future, under his wise and beneficent rule we saw ourselves gradually lifted from the depths of slavery to the heights of liberty and manhood; under his wise and beneficent rule, and by measures approved and vigorously pressed by him, we saw that the handwriting of ages, in the form of prejudice and proscription, was rapidly fading away from the face of our whole country; under his rule, and in due time, about as soon after all as the country could tolerate the strange spectacle, we saw our brave sons and brothers laying off the rags of bondage, and being clothed all over in the blue uniforms of the soldiers of the United States; under his rule we saw two hundred thousand of our dark and dusky people responding to the call of Abraham Lincoln, and with muskets on their shoulders, and eagles on their buttons, timing their high footsteps to liberty and union under the national flag; under his rule we saw the independence of the black republic of Hati, the special object of slaveholding aversion and horror, fully recognized, and her minister, a colored gentleman, duly received here in the city of Washington; under his rule we saw the internal slave trade, which so long disgraced the nation, abolished, and slavery abolished in the District of Columbia; under his rule we saw for the first time the law enforced against the foreign slave trade, and the first slave trader hanged like any other pirate or murderer; under his rule, assisted by the greatest captain of our age, and his inspiration, we saw the Confederate States, based upon the idea that our race must be slaves, and slaves forever, battered to pieces and scattered to the four winds; under his rule, and in the fullness of time, we saw Abraham Lincoln, after giving the slaveholders three months' grace in which to save their hateful slave system, penning the immortal paper, which, though special in its language, was general in its principles and effect, making slavery forever impossible in the United States.  Though we waited long, we saw all this and more. . . "

[groanup]

Like I said, you can find a quote for any position.

[4CJ]

As for who was afraid of whom, it was the New England states during the war of 1812 that started talking about secession and it was the Southern states who stated that they had no right to do so.

Documentation please.

[4CJ]

The South was fighting for the right to expand slavery.

Bravo Sierra. There were only a handful of blacks in all the territories, which had been open for decades. It was the North that demanded that the Territories be reserved for Whites ONLY.

The biggest mistake the GOP made was in Reconstruction, in not totally eradicating the confederate dominance that reasserted itself after the war.

Please do not espouse the assassination/murder of anyone. Hitler, Stalin and Idi Amin had such views, I pray that no Freeper would harbour such a position.

[4CJ]

Not having strict adherence to polices firmly dedicated to totally eradicating all aspects of confederate influences ...

Such could only be accomplished by a the expurgation of all thing Southern, and the death of millions of Southerners convinced that legally their cause was just. Please do not espouse the assassination/murder of anyone. Hitler, Stalin and Idi Amin had such views, I pray that no Freeper would harbour such a position.

[4CJ]

I don't want to go on a quote hunt right now and I don't archive all this stuff like some of you. Do you know how many quotes are out there showing that A. Lincoln felt much the same about the black man?

Whatever you do, DON'T quote Abe Lincoln on this subject. Nolu Chan posted Lincoln's OWN words on this subject, and some sensitive girly-man on the other side hit the abuse button, which led to the banishment of Nolu Chan.

[M. Espinola]

"Such could only be accomplished by a the expurgation of all thing Southern, and the death of millions of Southerners.."

You are kind of extreme, simply trade in the mud coated pickup trucks for a real American full size car, take a bath more then once a month, and stop speaking like Gomer & hating the whole world. Now, that's a good start on the highway back to proper civilization..right? LOL. Yo, Stonewall, quote me on that one baby!

[4CJ]

You are kind of extreme, simply trade in the mud coated pickup trucks for a real American full size car, take a bath more then once a month, and stop speaking like Gomer & hating the whole world.

Am I supposed to trade in the Lear jet?

[M. Espinola]

"Am I supposed to trade in the Lear jet?"

The Lear is naturally retained, just change the 'I am a rebel' seat covers.

[fortheDeclaration]

The biggest mistake the GOP made was in Reconstruction, in not totally eradicating the confederate dominance that reasserted itself after the war. Please do not espouse the assassination/murder of anyone. Hitler, Stalin and Idi Amin had such views, I pray that no Freeper would harbour such a position.

Now, where would you get such a notion?

What the Republicans should have done is denied citizenship to former Confederates so they could not control the State Governments.

The fact that genocide would even come into your head shows the state of your own mind.

[Non-Sequitur]

If it wasn't for quotes out of context, the southron congingent would have no quotes at all.

[Gianni]

[N-S] If it wasn't for quotes out of context, the southron congingent would have no quotes at all.

Well, given what's flowing from the other side....

simply trade in the mud coated pickup trucks for a real American full size car, take a bath more then once a month, and stop speaking like Gomer & hating the whole world. Now, that's a good start on the highway back to proper civilization..right?

Put that one 'in context' and smoke it.