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To: M. Espinola
I don't want to go on a quote hunt right now and I don't archive all this stuff like some of you. Do you know how many quotes are out there showing that A. Lincoln felt much the same about the black man? Believe me, for every position one wishes to take on this subject there is a quote from the 1860's to back it up.

"It must be admitted, truth compels me to admit...Abraham Lincoln was not, in the fullest sense of the word, either our man or our model. In his interests, in his associations, in his habits of thought, and in his prejudices, he was a white man. He was preeminently the white man's president, entirely devoted to the welfare of white men. He was ready and willing at any time during the last years of his administration to deny, postpone, and sacrifice the rights of humanity in the colored people, to promote the welfare of the white people of his country."

Frederick Douglass, noted African-American leader.

4,087 posted on 03/26/2005 1:29:55 PM PST by groanup (http://fairtax.org)
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To: groanup
I have reviewed the comments of Frederick Douglass and do not doubt his overview of old Abe, but lets face it, Lincoln was the only game in town.

Alabama George Wallace even altered his blind bigotry after suffering his own Damascus Road experience when a madman attempted to murder him.

Happy Easter-2005

4,088 posted on 03/27/2005 4:07:22 AM PST by M. Espinola (Freedom is never free!)
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To: groanup
Ah, the Douglass speech, a Lost Causer fave for out-of-context quote extraction. Let's see what Douglass went on to say:

"Though he loved Caesar less than Rome, though the Union was more to him than our freedom or our future, under his wise and beneficent rule we saw ourselves gradually lifted from the depths of slavery to the heights of liberty and manhood; under his wise and beneficent rule, and by measures approved and vigorously pressed by him, we saw that the handwriting of ages, in the form of prejudice and proscription, was rapidly fading away from the face of our whole country; under his rule, and in due time, about as soon after all as the country could tolerate the strange spectacle, we saw our brave sons and brothers laying off the rags of bondage, and being clothed all over in the blue uniforms of the soldiers of the United States; under his rule we saw two hundred thousand of our dark and dusky people responding to the call of Abraham Lincoln, and with muskets on their shoulders, and eagles on their buttons, timing their high footsteps to liberty and union under the national flag; under his rule we saw the independence of the black republic of Hati, the special object of slaveholding aversion and horror, fully recognized, and her minister, a colored gentleman, duly received here in the city of Washington; under his rule we saw the internal slave trade, which so long disgraced the nation, abolished, and slavery abolished in the District of Columbia; under his rule we saw for the first time the law enforced against the foreign slave trade, and the first slave trader hanged like any other pirate or murderer; under his rule, assisted by the greatest captain of our age, and his inspiration, we saw the Confederate States, based upon the idea that our race must be slaves, and slaves forever, battered to pieces and scattered to the four winds; under his rule, and in the fullness of time, we saw Abraham Lincoln, after giving the slaveholders three months' grace in which to save their hateful slave system, penning the immortal paper, which, though special in its language, was general in its principles and effect, making slavery forever impossible in the United States.  Though we waited long, we saw all this and more. . . "

4,089 posted on 03/27/2005 11:46:57 PM PST by Heyworth
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To: groanup
I don't want to go on a quote hunt right now and I don't archive all this stuff like some of you. Do you know how many quotes are out there showing that A. Lincoln felt much the same about the black man?

Whatever you do, DON'T quote Abe Lincoln on this subject. Nolu Chan posted Lincoln's OWN words on this subject, and some sensitive girly-man on the other side hit the abuse button, which led to the banishment of Nolu Chan.

4,094 posted on 04/02/2005 6:44:17 AM PST by 4CJ (Good-bye Henry LeeII. Rest well my FRiend. Good-bye Terri. We'll miss you both.)
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