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Posted on 12/31/2004 2:21:30 PM PST by Caipirabob
What's wrong about this photo? Or if you're a true-born Southerner, what's right?
While scanning through some of the up and coming movies in 2005, I ran across this intriguing title; "CSA: Confederate States of America (2005)". It's an "alternate universe" take on what would the country be like had the South won the civil war.
Stars with bars:
Suffice to say anything from Hollywood on this topic is sure to to bring about all sorts of controversial ideas and discussions. I was surprised that they are approaching such subject matter, and I'm more than a little interested.
Some things are better left dead in the past:
For myself, I was more than pleased with the homage paid to General "Stonewall" Jackson in Turner's "Gods and Generals". Like him, I should have like to believe that the South would have been compelled to end slavery out of Christian dignity rather than continue to enslave their brothers of the freedom that belong equally to all men. Obviously it didn't happen that way.
Would I fight for a South that believed in Slavery today? I have to ask first, would I know any better back then? I don't know. I honestly don't know. My pride for my South and my heritage would have most likely doomed me as it did so many others. I won't skirt the issue, in all likelyhood, slavery may have been an afterthought. Had they been the staple of what I considered property, I possibly would have already been past the point of moral struggle on the point and preparing to kill Northern invaders.
Compelling story or KKK wet dream?:
So what do I feel about this? The photo above nearly brings me to tears, as I highly respect Abraham Lincoln. I don't care if they kick me out of the South. Imagine if GW was in prayer over what to do about a seperatist leftist California. That's how I imagine Lincoln. A great man. I wonder sometimes what my family would have been like today. How many more of us would there be? Would we have held onto the property and prosperity that sustained them before the war? Would I have double the amount of family in the area? How many would I have had to cook for last week for Christmas? Would I have needed to make more "Pate De Fois Gras"?
Well, dunno about that either. Depending on what the previous for this movie are like, I may or may not see it. If they portray it as the United Confederacy of the KKK I won't be attending.
This generation of our clan speaks some 5 languages in addition to English, those being of recent immigrants to this nation. All of them are good Americans. I believe the south would have succombed to the same forces that affected the North. Immigration, war, economics and other huma forces that have changed the map of the world since history began.
Whatever. At least in this alternate universe, it's safe for me to believe that we would have grown to be the benevolent and humane South that I know it is in my heart. I can believe that slavery would have died shortly before or after that lost victory. I can believe that Southern gentlemen would have served the world as the model for behavior. In my alternate universe, it's ok that Spock has a beard. It's my alternate universe after all, it can be what I want.
At any rate, I lived up North for many years. Wonderful people and difficult people. I will always sing their praises as a land full of beautiful Italian girls, maple syrup and Birch beer. My uncle ribbed us once before we left on how we were going up North to live "with all the Yankees". Afterwards I always refered to him as royalty. He is, really. He's "King of the Rednecks". I suppose I'm his court jester.
So what do you think of this movie?
did you think we wouldn't notice???
free dixie,sw
I did respond: ' The quotes that you are so all fired up about are not mine. I personally don't care how you get your jollies, for all I know you have a turban on your head, or wear Depends. Myself, and no one else here owe you, or anyone else any explanation for anything said by someone other than ourselves.'
#2 "(I guess Yankees praise Charles Manson as well)" and you want me to respond to everything else you posted, after typing that irresponsible statement?
It's a tongue-in-cheek opinion (perhaps I should have clarified it with a sarcasm tag) - I'm wondering how on earth anyone anyone can consider a mass-murderer a saint.
ALSO, let's not forget that they bow down to "DIShonest Abe", the clay-footed secular saint & TYRANT of damnyankeeland, every morning before breakfast AND make pilgrimages to that MONSTROSITY of a memorial to the WAR CRIMINAL that sits in DC.
damnyankees are such "lovely people", don't you think???
free dixie,sw
15,000 were MURDERED in cold-blood at just ONE of the CONCENTRATION CAMPS at Point Lookout,MD.
fyi, FOUR of my ancestors were "guests" of the damnyankees at Point Lookout DEATH CAMP. NONE survived.
free dixie,sw
damnyankees are such "lovely peiople".
free dixie,sw
2827 not 2127. I'm not awake yet.
Hello out there, the Civil War is over, and the Southern insurrectionists LOST!
was SLAUGHTERING MY family, just because they were UNarmed & NOT white, A-OK with you?
tell us, "oh great sage", are those things ACCEPTABLE to YOU or are the people who did those atrocities, WAR CRIMINALS & RACIST FILTH????
free dixie,sw
What should have the U.S. government done with these rebels, give a welcome package, then release them to continue to attempt an invasion & destruction the nation's capital?
You clearly stated in previous postings, you were completely satisfied with Southern Assassin, John Wilkes Booth, murdering President Lincoln, as an act of 'revenge'.
The cowardly act of shooting the President from the back.
Good Lord, how are you able to dream up such convoluted insanity?
Now put your other arm up, Yank.
Nonsense. I have stated repeatedly that they are NOT my views - I am not responsible for them, and anyone reading my posts here over the past 5 years knows full well what my positions are.
I simply refuse to allow some ill-mannered poster to toss up flamebait for myself and others to denounce. The quotes you present are just that - BAIT - just as you are using them now. I can just as easily go thru the Collected Works of Lincoln and other volumes and find quote after quote of Lincoln using the - shock, gasp - "N" word for blacks, his statements that the territories were to be for WHITES ONLY, that he advocated white separatism, ad nasuem. Please stop attempting to bait people to the point of banishment, if that's your whole arguement then head over to DU - it's more their style.
Thanks for the note. I almost missed it wading through his 10,000 word bloviation.
Bwahahahaha!
What I believe I've heard is the thought that being a slave was better than being an industrial worker in the North at the time, that the slave had no worries and was well taken care of. By that logic, we should move full speed toward the socialist nanny state.
If that's not a common statement from the defenders of the Confederacy please correct me.
I'm trying to understand your post -- and that isn't me or the post you're responding to, that you quote.....confusing.....
Don't you understand? My point is, later events don't change earlier ones, so that if you start teaching history differently, it's because you're under political influence to change the story retroactively. Get it? Bad idea. Bad! George Orwell wrote a mighty book to denounce it.
"There's not enough space! LOL" is not responsive. I'm sure you could identify such a post and engage its owner......don't just whip out the old spraygun and paint everyone as a dissembling fathead.
I didn't post that kind of thing; that's not fair.
There's a debate in your post, but you have to direct it to the people who posted up what you say they did.
Are you talking about the slave narratives? They have multiple POV's, all their own. Would you like to argue that they dissembled? Go ahead. But ex-slaves dissembling to federal project workers (WPA? PWA? whatever) is not the same thing as us lying to you and telling you that slavery was Disneyland on a budget.
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