Man held in deaths has Toledo connection (update - see reply #40)

Toledo Blade ^ | November 24, 2004 | IGNAZIO MESSINA

[TERMINATTOR]

The deer hunter accused of killing six hunters and wounding two others in the woods of northern Wisconsin is believed to have resided in the Toledo area as a youth and attended Jones Junior High School.

Chai Vang, 36, of St. Paul, is listed as a student at the South Toledo school during the 1982-1983 school year, according to Toledo Public School documents.

Willie Braggs, a social studies teacher at Jones, said he remembers Mr. Vang as a student. "He was in my class in 1982 and he seemed like a pretty good student," Mr. Braggs said. "It was a real shock [to hear of the shootings]."

A wave of Laotian refugees was brought to the Toledo area in 1979 and the early 1980s. They were resettled here with the help of church groups and other local sponsors. It was not clear yesterday when Mr. Vang's family came to Toledo or when they left.

By 1994, only about 35 Hmong families remained in the area, largely because many families moved to other cities where there were more jobs available and larger concentrations of others in their ethnic group.

About 24,000 Hmong live in St. Paul.

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[Gandalf_The_Gray]

Well, calling the game warden or police would have been better than the alternative...

The DNR (Wisconsin's game wardens) does not handle trespassing claims & local police treat them as a minor nuisance to be handled as such (when they get to it).

IMHO the landowner did the only practical thing under the circumstances, who knew that this guy was gonna go postal.

Regards,
GtG

[Gandalf_The_Gray]

What hostilities -they never saw the murderer before he murdered them. Do you suggest this a racial incident -maybe a 'hate crime' preemptive self defense in the case of the poor murderer?

For what it's worth, there has been anecdotal evidence offered that this was the third time in two years that Vang had to be ejected for trespassing on the same land. He also has an unpaid warrant for trespassing in Green Co.

Kinda looks like he doesn't much care where he put his feet.

Regards,
GtG

[Harmless Teddy Bear]

And ignores the fact, pointed out to him repeatedly, that the police would ask you if you had asked the intruder to leave and if not to do so.

[REDWOOD99]

Last night I was a little harsh. This topic hit a sore spot and you and I are both new to this site so I'm going to try to start over. Try to help me here, tell me if I'm not understanding something right.
1)You believe that it's okay to tell someone to leave your property but not to make them mad.
2)You believe that if the person does get mad, then you should NOT call the nearest people for help but call the cops and run away.
3)You believe that protecting your property stops at your front door.
4)You believe that vacation property should be treated differently than your primary residence.
5)You believe that trespassing should carry a 2-3 yr. jail sentence.
6)You believe that the victims should have known that this nutcase was a nutcase.
Please correct me where I'm wrong.

[Harmless Teddy Bear]

No, exactly wrong! The victims did to much! They are not law enforcement! That is my whole point! Its not their job to do this...

Yes it was.

I am going to repeat myself again.

Prior to this incident, if you called the police about someone in your deer stand they would tell you to tell him to leave!

They would NOT respond with a SWAT team. They would not respond with the state police. They in fact, would not have responded at all except to ask if you had asked him to leave. And just asking him to leave is what set the little murderer off.

You keep ignoring this basic fact.

The. Police. Tell. You. To. Tell. Them. To. Leave.

Now as promised here is my interpretive dance on the subject.

[Ladysmith]

It boils down to private property rights. The trespasser has no right to be on your property without your permission and certainly has no right to intimidate you into running to the authorities and ask them to remove him. Since in both case, the trespasser has a deadly weapon, you have the right to protect yourself and others and your property.

In a nutshell, there is no difference between your two scenarios.

What is different is the level of threat by the trespasser. Up until last Sunday, hunters could count on civility and respect from each other. If a trespasser had to be told to leave, he may do so grudgingly and the owners may be wary but the trespasser would eventually leave without incident.

MR. Vang changed all that.

[Gandalf_The_Gray]

hard to believe that a man, with an out of state hunting license would go through all that trouble just to go on a shooting spree...

If the reports hold up, he's done it before. It may turn out that he has been in the woods hunting people rather than deer for several years. He would not be the first serial killer in Wisconsin history. The DNR should back check and see how many tags this "avid" hunter has filled since 2000.

Regards,
GtG

[Harmless Teddy Bear]

Vang was leaving the scene. You, of course, overlooked that little point because it reveals that you are talking through your hat.

[Harmless Teddy Bear]

He turned around and started shooting.

[two23]

Exceprt from the actual criminal complaint on record:

Vang started to walk away and got approximately 40 yards away. Then Vang appeared to remove the scope from his rifle and turned around and started shooting.

You can go here and open up document of record by copying and pasting this URL:

http://www.wausaudailyherald.com/frontpage/pegl.pdf

[Harmless Teddy Bear]

He called after Vang started shooting.

They were only about 400 yards away. It wasn't that far.

Once again you are wrong. You are making a habit of it.

[Harmless Teddy Bear]

IF you can't bring yourself to be civil straight away I suggest calling the police, tell them that your not a good people person...

And once again there you go blaming the victims. You keep doing this and I am going to keep calling you on it.

Stop it.

[REDWOOD99]

"The hunter did everything right until he called in the other hunters, he should have got out of there, his life is NOT worth a tree stand."

I have some problems with this statement:
1)How did calling the other hunters provoke Vang?
2)Aren't you implying that the hunter knew his life was in danger?
3)Prior to this incidence, if you were out hunting for quail on your own property and came across another hunter who did not have your permission to be there, would you have followed your own advice?