Forgot the barf alert!
Posted on 10/28/2004 6:07:00 AM PDT by Pokey78
If the loving heart of the Great Emancipator found its natural amorous passions overwhelmingly directed toward those of his own sex, it would certainly be a stunning rebuke to the Republican Party’s scapegoating of same-sex love for electoral purposes. And a forthcoming book by the late Dr. C.A. Tripp — The Intimate World of Abraham Lincoln, to be published in the new year by Free Press — makes a powerful case that Lincoln was a lover of men.
Tripp, who worked closely in the 1940s and 1950s with the groundbreaking sexologist Alfred Kinsey, was a clinical psychologist, university professor and author of the 1975 best-seller The Homosexual Matrix, which helped transcend outdated Freudian clichés and establish that a same-sex affectional and sexual orientation is a normal and natural occurrence.
In his book on Lincoln, Tripp draws on his years with Kinsey, who, he wrote, "confronted the problem of classifying mixed sex patterns by devising his 0-to-6 scale, which allows the ranking of any homosexual component in a person’s life from none to entirely homosexual. By this measure Lincoln qualifies as a classical 5 — predominantly homosexual, but incidentally heterosexual."
Tripp also found, based on multiple historical accounts, that Lincoln attained puberty unusually early, by the age of 9 or 10 — early sexualization being a prime Kinsey indicator for same-sex proclivities. Even Lincoln’s stepmother admitted in a post-assassination interview that young Abe "never took much interest in the girls." And Tripp buttresses his findings that Lincoln was a same-sex lover with important new historical contributions.
(Excerpt) Read more at laweekly.com ...
Your dog ever sleep in the bed with you?
Did you have a sexual relationship with your dog? Maybe.
I read it as well. I find it quite telling that there appear to be NO non-homosexual advocates of the "Lincoln was gay" theory. IMHO, this relates to the part of SSAD by which the 'gay' individual misinterprets any indication of affection as sexual attraction.
As to your point about Lincoln's desire for male bed-mates, I can only guess that he was accustomed to sharing a bed for warmth and could not very well have a woman other than his wife sleep with him. This is just a guess at the real reason since it is not exactly practical to ask the man himself. As you can surmise by the fact that I have read The Real Lincoln, I am certainly no fan of his. However, I am also very skeptical of the homosexual lobby's efforts to "out" every historical figure they possibly can.
Deo Vindice!
Morons like this are one of the reasons I got into history for my first degree. I cannot stand people that always try to rewrite history like this just to suit their own political agenda.
Longer than that, I'd say. Matthew 19 opens with the Pharisees posing a trick question to Jesus about marriage, which Jesus answers and appends with a reference to eunuchs. Considering that Jesus was unmarried -- a novelty for a first-century rabbi, to put it mildly -- it's likely that Jesus was also addressing the Pharisees' insinuations about his being unmarried.
The Log Packin' anti-Republicans have already been publicly flaming against us and rooting for Kerry, as you've seen.
Yep...quite an Election. The Republican Party is finally starting to fight.
BTW, Susan B. Anthony was a lesbian. That's what we should be publicizing!
http://www.boundless.org/2000/features/a0000170.html
http://familyops.us/anthonyproject/Susan_B_Anthony_Against_Marriage.html
http://www.hallhistory.com/gay_lesbian/25.shtml
LOL!
---- Clarence Arthur Tripp ( 4 October 1919 - 17 May 2003)
by Andy Armitage (Gay and Lesbian Humanist Summer 2003: http://www.galha.org/glh/224/tripp.html)
The author C. A. Tripp, who is said to have just completed co-authorship of a book speculating that Abraham Lincoln had gay encounters, has died of cancer. He was 83.
Tripp is best known for his 1975 book The Homosexual Matrix (McGraw-Hill), in which he attempted to dispel popular misconceptions about homosexuality. It sold nearly half a million copies.
Dr Clarence Arthur Tripp, psychologist, therapist and sex researcher, studied at the Rochester Institute of Technology and served in the US Navy. He immersed himself in the work of Freud during the 1940s and also worked in photography, while becoming increasingly interested in psychology. It was towards the end of the decade that he worked with Alfred Kinsey at the Institute for Sex Research in Indiana , until Kinsey died in 1956.
His book speculating on the sexuality of Lincoln was co-written with the author Lewis Gannett. It was finished about two weeks before Tripp's death, and he had been working with Gannett on its preparation for several years. Reports have hinted that the book will reveal that Lincoln had a series of homosexual encounters.
According to Newsweek, Tripp had a straightforward message that "homosexuality is best viewed as an alternative lifestyle and society benefits from tolerating it".
The New York Times quotes Larry Kramer, author and AIDS activist, who had said in an interview that Tripp's book was the first to emerge from a "reputable source", and that it "dared to openly speak of homosexuality as a healthy occurrence".
Tripp is survived by his companion, Vacharin Prasertthai.----
He can't hurt anymore dogs.
Have you noticed that everytime homosexual fairytale web-weavers point to some famous personality who they claim was homosexual, that the targeted personality is a historic figure? This is of course a cheap shot......and grossly dishonest as well, because it's nearly impossible to prove what can't be proven due to needed facts, pertinent data, etc., being buried in the mists of time.
Since these liars have pulled their abbra-cadabbra, hocu-pocus "now he's a homosexual" scam on other historic figures of repute, it seems as though they are trying to imply that homosexuality somehow or another leads to excellence in leadership, or excellence in some other way.. If that is really true, then why haven't they extolled the excellent leadership qualities of still living or fairly recently dead homosexuals? How about "I ran a male-prostitution-ring-in-my-townhouse' Barney Franks? How about "I'm a sado-masochistic homosexual pedophile" Alfred Kinsey? And then there were various well-documented sado-masochistic homosexuals in the Nazi Party. Hitler was a coprophile; others were in charge of the prisoner camps which as we know, were infamous for sadistic torture and homosexual rape.
These thieves must 'steal' historic figures of good repute for the simple reason that homosexuality, along with S&M, coprophilia, pedophilia, pederasty, zoophilia, and transsexualism {drag queens, drag kings, he-she's} are psychosocial disorders in conjunction with various pathologies.......lying, obsessive/compulsive behaviors; narcissism; and others. In addition, their unnatural behavior and foully corrupt lifestyle leads to alcoholism, drug addiction, depression, suicidal tendencies, incurable STDs, and early death.
It is very well documented and he never spoke of who he recieved the papers from. But all you need to do is to get his report and read it. He writes about how a eight or nine year old girl has multiple O's after HOURS of intercourse with several men. The age may be wrong in my example but not but mush.
By proxy. He had an assistant (a long-term child molester, who had also had sex with adult men, adult women, and animals) do the actual molesting and report back to him.
They would lie about anything and rewrite any history to make their perverted life styles look normal.
Log Cabin GOP Bump
Why don't you call in the confederate cavalry to bail you out. They are much better at the innuendo thing than you are. I like the rest of FR to see what you guys are really like.
Relax, it took the Media 14 years "out" Lincoln, I bet they try to out Reagan by 2008!
Yawn.
They just don't get it.
"America", and we Americans, JUST ABSOLUTELY, POSITIVELY DO NOT CARE who or what wets your willie, as long as you keep it to yourself and don't frighten the horses.
THAT'S IT.
PERIOD.
I am beginning to think that the obsession with getting other people to be cognizant of your sex practices, or Abe Lincoln's sex practices, is a serious mental disorder.
Forgot the barf alert!
"Recently, another question has been raised: Was the close relationship between Lincoln and Speed a homosexual one? Or, since the word homosexual did not come into use until the 1870s, could it be called a "homoerotic" one? To be blunt, did they have sex together? It was not until the gay liberation movement that these subjects began to be discussed, and with increasing frankness. On a publicity tour that I undertook in 1995-1996 to promote my biography of Lincoln, I was astonished to discover the question most frequently asked was whether Lincoln was gay. The subject deserves careful and cautious discussion.
First, it ought to be noted that no contemporary ever raised the question of sexual relations between Lincoln and Speed. Herndon, who sometimes slept in the same upstairs room over Speed's store, never mentioned the possibility, though he discussed at length his ideas about Lincoln's sexual interests in women. Charles Hurst, another of Speed's clerks, who also slept in the room, never referred to any sexual or even physical intimacy between the two men. Though nearly every other possible charge against Lincoln was raised during his long public career -- from his alleged illegitimacy to his possible romance with Ann Rutledge, to the breakup of his engagement to Mary Todd, to some turbulent aspects of their marriage -- no one ever suggested that he and Speed were sexual partners.
In these still primitive, almost frontier, days in Illinois, it was anything but uncommon for two or more men to share a bed. Space was at a premium, and privacy was not much valued or expected. Unmarried men who worked on farms, or in livery stables, or in country stores regularly slept in the same beds. Primitive hotels often offered transients only the option of sharing a bed with other guests. Even when respectable lawyers rode the circuit, traveling from county seat to county seat, they tumbled unceremoniously into bed together. There was no sexual implication in these sleeping arrangements.
During the first half of the nineteenth century, close relations between a man and a woman prior to, or outside of, marriage were frowned on, but intimacies between two people of the same sex -- especially if they were young -- were readily tolerated. There are a surprising number of well-documented cases of love among young men. Young Ralph Waldo Emerson nearly swooned with passion over Martin Gay, whom he thought the most handsome student at Harvard College, but he was too inhibited to make his love known. Daniel Webster was deeply in love with James Hervey Bingham, a classmate at Dartmouth, with whom he continued on intimate terms long after graduation. He addressed Bingham as "Dearly Beloved," and ended his letters with affectionate phrases like: "Accept all the tenderness I have. D. Webster." The letters between such male lovers are full of references to sleeping together, kisses, caresses, and open longing for each other. There can be no doubt that these were erotic relationships, but with rare exceptions, they do not appear to have been sexual relationships.
The Lincoln-Speed connection did not fall even into that category. Nearly all of the documented erotic relationships between males were between young men -- in effect, boys who had reached the peak of their physical powers but were far from ready to assume the role of husband and breadwinner. In contrast, when Lincoln and Speed came together in 1837, neither was a youth: Lincoln was twenty-eight years old and Speed was twenty-three. Nor, when appraising their relationship, can one find anything to suggest a passionate or erotic connection between the two. There is an extensive correspondence between Lincoln and Speed during the 1840s (consisting almost entirely of Lincoln's letters to Speed; Speed's replies have to be conjectured from Lincoln's responses), but, unlike the letters between other enamored males that have been preserved, they are totally lacking in expressions of warm affection. To be sure, Lincoln closed one of his letters, "Yours forever" -- but this was the same phrase he used in writing to his law partner and to an Illinois congressman.
The evidence is fragmentary and complex, but my judgment is strongly influenced by the opinion of Charles B. Strozier, the psychoanalyst and historian, who concludes that if the friendship had been sexual Lincoln would have become a different man. He would, Dr. Strozier writes me, have been "a bisexual at best, torn between worlds, full of shame, confused, and hardly likely to end up in politics." What finally convinced me that the relationship between Speed and Lincoln was not a sexual one is an anecdote from late 1864, when Lincoln found it necessary to replace his attorney general and chose Joshua's brother, James Speed. James Speed, he told Titian J. Coffey, the U.S. assistant attorney general, was "a man I know well, though not so well as I know his brother Joshua. That, however, is not strange, for I slept with Joshua for four years, and I suppose I ought to know him." I simply cannot believe that, if the early relationship between Joshua Speed and Lincoln had been sexual, the President of the United States would so freely and publicly speak of it. In my judgment, these two young men were simply close, warm friends, who came close to achieving Montaigne's definition of complete comradeship, a relationship in which "all things being by effect common between them: wills, thoughts, judgments, goods,...honour, and life." I do not know whether Speed had earlier, or subsequent, friendships of this nature, but it is clear that this was the first -- and perhaps the only -- time Lincoln had ever arrived at such a degree of intimacy with any other person." -- "We Are Lincoln Men: Abraham Lincon and His Friends" by David Herbert Donald.
I dispute the revolting conclusions you draw.
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