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THE BATTLE OF ATLANTA: Civilians were Sherman's targets
Atlanta Journal Constitution ^ | 07/16/04 | JOHN A. TURES

Posted on 07/18/2004 8:40:59 PM PDT by canalabamian

Not only was William Tecumseh Sherman guilty of many of the crimes that some apologists portray as "tall tales," but also his specter seems to haunt the scandal-ridden halls of the Abu Ghraib prison in Iraq.

Sherman had a relatively poor record battling armies. His lack of preparation nearly destroyed Union forces at Shiloh. He was repulsed at Chickasaw Bluffs, losing an early opportunity to capture Vicksburg, Miss. The result was a bloody campaign that dragged on for months. He was blocked by Gen. Pat Cleburne at the Battle of Chattanooga and needed to be bailed out by Gen. George Thomas' Army of the Cumberland. His troops were crushed by rebel forces in the Battle of Kennesaw Mountain.

But Sherman knew how to make war against civilians. After the capture of Atlanta, he engaged in policies similar to ethnic cleansing in the former Yugoslavia by expelling citizens from their homes. "You might as well appeal against the thunderstorm as against these terrible hardships of war," he told the fleeing population. Today, Slobodan Milosevic is on trial for similar actions in Kosovo.

An article on Sherman in The Atlanta Journal-Constitution last spring asserted that Sherman attacked acceptable military targets "by the standards of war at the time." This seems to assume that human rights were invented with the creation of the United Nations. But Gen. Grant did not burn Virginia to the ground. Gen. Lee did not burn Maryland or Pennsylvania when he invaded. Both sought to destroy each other's armies instead of making war against women and children, as Sherman did.

After promising to "make Georgia . . . howl," Sherman continued such policies in the Carolinas. Not only did he preside over the burning of Columbia, but he also executed several prisoners of war in retaliation for the ambush of one of his notorious foraging parties. While Andersonville's camp commander, Henry Wirz, was found guilty of conspiracy to impair the health and destroy the life of prisoners and executed, nothing like that happened to Sherman.

According to an article by Maj. William W. Bennett, Special Forces, U.S. Army, Sherman turned his attention to a new soft target after the Civil War: Native Americans. Rather than engage Indian fighters, Sherman again preferred a strategy of killing noncombatants. After an ambush of a military detachment by Red Cloud's tribe, Sherman said, "We must act with vindictive earnestness against the Sioux, even to their extermination, men, women and children."

Bennett notes that Sherman carried out his campaign with brutal efficiency. On the banks of the Washita River, Gen. George Armstrong Custer massacred a village of the friendly Cheyenne Chief Black Kettle, who had located to a reservation. Sherman was quoted as saying, "The more we can kill this year, the less will have to be killed the next war, for the more I see of these Indians, the more convinced I am that they all have to be killed or maintained as a species of paupers. Their attempts at civilization are simply ridiculous."

Such slaughter was backed by the extermination of the buffalo as a means of depriving the men, women and children with a source of food. Many Native Americans not killed by Sherman's troopers were forced onto reservations or exiled to Florida to face swamps and disease.

Now we have learned about the abuse of prisoners in Iraq. Such events may seem unrelated, were it not for reports that Sherman's policies are still taught to West Point cadets as an example of how to break an enemy's will to fight.

Are we therefore shocked by the acts of barbarity against Iraqi detainees? As long as we honor Sherman, teach his tactics and revise history to excuse his actions, we can expect more examples of torture and savagery against noncombatants we encounter in other countries.

John Tures is an assistant professor of political science at LaGrange College who was born in Wisconsin, opposes the 1956 Georgia flag and still has a low opinion of Sherman.


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To: 4ConservativeJustices

right. Lincoln only 'freed' the slaves a few years into the war to keep the euros on his side...


141 posted on 07/19/2004 7:56:03 AM PDT by fooman (Get real with Kim Jung Mentally Ill about proliferation)
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To: Non-Sequitur
The next wave chose sides after the Davis regime started the war.

Davis repelled an intruder. The next four states certainly didn't secede to preserve slavery, but seceded because a despot was calling for troops to use against former members of the union, as stated by Gov. Ellis of North Carolina:

I regard the levy of troops made by the Administration, for the purpose of subjugating the States of the South, as in violation of the Constitution, and a usurpation of power. I can be no party to this wicked violation of the laws of the country, and to this war upon the liberties of a free people.

142 posted on 07/19/2004 7:57:42 AM PDT by 4CJ (||) Men die by the calendar, but nations die by their character. - John Armor, 5 Jun 2004 (||)
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To: carton253

"This book was the subject of a 2 part series on History Channel. I only saw the last part...
I think Lee probably did more to save the Union in that month than anybody else..

I agree. Jefferson Davis wanted Lee to start a guerilla war... Lee refused. He gave his word of honor to Grant. He knew that he had been beaten and there was no dishonor in defeat.

Lee's example did much to help heal the wounds. He was a true gentleman."

I've seen "April 1865" a couple of times now, and its very well done. If I think of it, I'll probably end up getting it on DVD. The program was much easier to watch than the book was to read, in my opinion. But if you are a CW junkie, it doesn't really matter, does it?......LOL!

And I whole heartedly agree with your statements concerning Lee's actions in that terrible month.

I've always been of the opinion that one shot by Booth did more harm to the South in the long run than anything Sherman did, or any other Union General for that matter. That single bullet ensured hatred that clearly exists to this day, ensured the South would be treated in much the same way Germany was treated in the aftermath of WWI in my opinion.


143 posted on 07/19/2004 7:57:48 AM PDT by Badeye ("The day you stop learning, is the day you begin dying")
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To: carton253

Lee could have easily gone guerrilla.


144 posted on 07/19/2004 7:58:34 AM PDT by fooman (Get real with Kim Jung Mentally Ill about proliferation)
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To: zarf
Granted.

However, sectional conflict occurred in many other areas.

Slavery simply sparked the conflict. Some conflict would have occurred.....though probably not full-blown war....due to the deep division that occurred in the nation along other axes of cumulative cleavages.

But, the war was not started by Lincoln for slavery. His goals in the war were to keep the union, that was, until he saw the benefit of making it a moralistic war later (Hence, the Emancipation Proclamation came later). Just do a cursory examination of his statements. His concern early on was NOT the blacks in bondage. It was keeping rebellious Southerners from leaving.

145 posted on 07/19/2004 7:58:39 AM PDT by rwfromkansas (BYPASS FORCED WEB REGISTRATION! **** http://www.bugmenot.com ****)
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To: sheltonmac
I'm a proud Southerner. Proud of the Confederate soldiers who bravely fought, yet embarrassed they were, in the end, defending an abomination.

The institution of slavery died with the Confederacy. Thank God for that fact.

146 posted on 07/19/2004 7:58:43 AM PDT by zarf
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To: Neville72
Nope. Bottom line is that 300,000+ of the South's finest died in vain fighting to perpetuate an abomination.

Are you calling Lincoln a liar?

147 posted on 07/19/2004 7:59:36 AM PDT by 4CJ (||) Men die by the calendar, but nations die by their character. - John Armor, 5 Jun 2004 (||)
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To: zarf
The institution of slavery died with the Confederacy. Thank God for that fact.

The institution of slavery is alive and well in many countries to this day. Suadan for example.

148 posted on 07/19/2004 8:00:53 AM PDT by 4CJ (||) Men die by the calendar, but nations die by their character. - John Armor, 5 Jun 2004 (||)
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To: 4ConservativeJustices
I regard the levy of troops made by the Administration, for the purpose of subjugating the States of the South, as in violation of the Constitution, and a usurpation of power.

Turns out he was wrong about the constitutionality part, wasn't he? And far from repelling an intruder, the Davis regime seized something that didn't belong to it.

149 posted on 07/19/2004 8:01:04 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur (Jefferson Davis - the first 'selected, not elected' president.)
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To: fooman
But he refused and said so publicly. Good for Lee. And good for Grant in the role that he played in helping to heal the wounds.

Thank God for these two great Americans. I am proud to claim each of them as my own.

150 posted on 07/19/2004 8:01:16 AM PDT by carton253 (It's time to draw your sword and throw away the scabbard... General TJ Jackson)
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To: zarf
As long as Sherman was killin Southerners he was OK by me.

All I can say is 'wow.'

151 posted on 07/19/2004 8:01:24 AM PDT by Petronski (I'm not always cranky.)
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To: fooman

The war was far from over when Sherman started his march through Georgia(Oct.1864). It went on for another 7 months and only ended when Joe Johnston surrendered to Sherman in North Carolina and Lee realized he was hopelessly beaten in Virginia.


152 posted on 07/19/2004 8:02:19 AM PDT by Neville72
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To: Non-Sequitur
The one thing Sherman had above all other potential commanders was the complete trust of Ulysses Grant. Thomas was, in many ways, the better commander but he and Grant did not get along.

Agreed. Often what separates a 'successful general' from an unsuccessful one is that the former can maintain the trust of his superiors even in defeat.

Sherman's record as a battlefield tactician is spotty, but he was great at the operational level in that he could move armies efficiently. This is what was lacking.

Thomas was a bulldog, but he was often criticized for being slow. At Nashville the orders had been cut by Grant to remove him from command, but news of Thomas' crushing counterattack against Hood saved him and his military reputation.

153 posted on 07/19/2004 8:02:19 AM PDT by Tallguy
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To: zarf

The institution of slavery died with the Confederacy. Thank God for that fact..

Agreed. I think the debate here was the need for Sherman to commit genocide.


154 posted on 07/19/2004 8:04:43 AM PDT by fooman (Get real with Kim Jung Mentally Ill about proliferation)
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To: 4ConservativeJustices; zarf

Slavery continues today in third-world countries. President Bush was down in FLA to discuss the "slavery" of migrant workers last week.


155 posted on 07/19/2004 8:05:19 AM PDT by stainlessbanner
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To: carton253

Agreed.


156 posted on 07/19/2004 8:05:36 AM PDT by fooman (Get real with Kim Jung Mentally Ill about proliferation)
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To: Non-Sequitur
Turns out he was wrong about the constitutionality part, wasn't he? And far from repelling an intruder, the Davis regime seized something that didn't belong to it.

The Supreme Court also ruled that abortion was constitutional, as was sodomy. Next will be homosexual marriage.

Judges are not god. Lincoln's regime was content to allow slavery to exist, and only desired the tariff revenues. To that end he sent an armed fleet to seize SC property. Congress did not sanction his actions, his blockade was an act of war.

157 posted on 07/19/2004 8:06:48 AM PDT by 4CJ (||) Men die by the calendar, but nations die by their character. - John Armor, 5 Jun 2004 (||)
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To: zarf

I'm not arguing with you that it was a just war...it was.

I'm taking your comments about all southerners to task because it is ignorant. I thought we conservatives judged each man on his or her character...not group sterotypes.


158 posted on 07/19/2004 8:07:20 AM PDT by Blue Scourge (Off I go into the Wild Blue Yonder...)
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To: rwfromkansas
His goals in the war were to keep the union, that was, until he saw the benefit of making it a moralistic war later (Hence, the Emancipation Proclamation came later). Just do a cursory examination of his statements. His concern early on was NOT the blacks in bondage. It was keeping rebellious Southerners from leaving.

Granted.

Yet, examine Lincoln's first and second inaugural addresses. In the end, this was no opportunistic issue for Lincoln. This was a religious crusade in whcih God guided the just to victory.

The transition speaks for itself.

159 posted on 07/19/2004 8:07:39 AM PDT by zarf
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To: Neville72

The war in that theater was over.

We did burn territory in WWII after we held it with boots on the ground.


160 posted on 07/19/2004 8:08:00 AM PDT by fooman (Get real with Kim Jung Mentally Ill about proliferation)
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