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To: Maximilian

"Before you embarrass yourself with any more silly statements"
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Am I embarrassing myself???

Please, look up the link in my post to the John Jay Report.

All statistics show that the sexual abuses of minors began to drop with the commencement of John Paul II's papacy. They are almost non-existent now.

No other Pope in the history made as many apostolic visits to different God-forsaken lands as JP2, no other Pope brought down the worldwide grip of godless communism. John Paul authored fourteen profound encyclical letters, promulgated new Code of Canon Law and a new Catechism. There are many good things happening in the Catholic Church because of the leadership of John Paul II.

Better look up the facts before you embarrass yourself completely.


53 posted on 07/12/2004 5:48:02 PM PDT by frnk
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To: frnk

The drop in the number of scandals came, not because of anything JPII did, but because the media had begun exposing the huge number of cases in the 80s. It was public exposure that finally compelled corrupt bishops to get their act together and stop covering-up--and this was a full TEN YEARS after JPII began his pontificate. In other words, the scandals were raging all during the pontificate of JPII--and he never once addressed them or sought any kind of reforms--and this at a time when bishops were openly pushing their gay agendas and gay bishops were networking and consolidating their hold on the American hierarchy.


60 posted on 07/12/2004 6:10:34 PM PDT by ultima ratio
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To: frnk

The New Catechism is like his encyclicals--unreadable, full of gobbledegook. On balance, this pope has done more harm than good. In fact, the good has been minimal.


71 posted on 07/12/2004 6:22:30 PM PDT by ultima ratio
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To: frnk
No other Pope in the history made as many apostolic visits to different God-forsaken lands as JP2, no other Pope brought down the worldwide grip of godless communism. John Paul authored fourteen profound encyclical letters, promulgated new Code of Canon Law and a new Catechism. There are many good things happening in the Catholic Church because of the leadership of John Paul II.

All these points could be debated, but none of them have anything to do with the question we were actually discussing: whether Vatican II was the cause of the collapse of the Church that we are presently witnessing.

137 posted on 07/12/2004 7:44:55 PM PDT by Maximilian
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To: frnk

>>no other Pope brought down the worldwide grip of godless communism.<<

And, neither did this one. Communism fell in on itself, helped along by two very courageous men...Reagan & Gorbachev. Where, in the world would you get such an idiot notion that "Pope Piel" did anything of the sort?


139 posted on 07/12/2004 7:47:50 PM PDT by torqemada ("Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisition!")
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