[Maximilian]

No other Pope in the history made as many apostolic visits to different God-forsaken lands as JP2, no other Pope brought down the worldwide grip of godless communism. John Paul authored fourteen profound encyclical letters, promulgated new Code of Canon Law and a new Catechism. There are many good things happening in the Catholic Church because of the leadership of John Paul II.

All these points could be debated, but none of them have anything to do with the question we were actually discussing: whether Vatican II was the cause of the collapse of the Church that we are presently witnessing.

[narses]

FWIW, my opinion is that V2 is not the cause, but is an affect of the invasion of Gramscian and Masonic satainsts on the Mystical Body. V2 itself wouldn't have had the same affect if the Church Militant had not already been seriously infected.