harrowputz, you are a lunatic not worthy of even the CLAIM of *Jew,* and would have to look up to see the bottoms of Rabbi Kahane's shoes, if you could see that far up. Somehow, I doubt it, you traitorous segment of a crushed earthworm.
Posted on 07/09/2004 4:44:38 AM PDT by abu afak
Catholic Church equates anti-Zionism with anti-Semitism
Haaretz Correspondent
The Catholic Church condemned anti-Zionism as a cover for anti-Semitism by means of a joint statement issued by a forum of Catholic-Jewish intellectuals this week.
The announcement was made at a gathering of religious, academic and other leading Jewish and Catholic figures in Buenos Aires.
"We oppose anti-Semitism in any way and form, including anti-Zionism that has become of late a manifestation of anti-Semitism," the statement said.
This is the first time that anti-Zionism and anti-Semitism have been equated by the Catholic Church.
The statement also includes a stern condemnation of terrorism, particularly terror in the name of faith.
"Terror is a sin against man and against God. Fundamentalist terrorism in the name of God has no justification and cannot be justified."
Ilan Steinberg, director of the World Jewish Congress, one of the forum's organizers, described the joint statement as "an historic moment."
"For the first time, the Catholic Church recognizes in anti-Zionism an attack not only against Jews, but against the whole Jewish people."
Senior Jewish figures called the announcement a significant, public statement of support by the Catholic Church in the face of anti-Zionism.
"In the past, Zionism was equated with racism, and this statement turns anti-Zionism statements to a form of racism," a Jewish leader said in New York.
The statement joins a prior European Union announcement and UN declaration of war against anti-Semitism as part of a global front fighting the scourge.
You are obviously an insane person.
You want me to publish your irrational freepmail to me and my short, sweet answer to you, fraudster?
I'd like to know how harrowup stands and what the Heck he's talking about?
I want to know what he considers a "Radical Zionist", a 'regular' one, and what he sees as the solution to the Mideast problem (being he's Not? a "Zionist")
Well, some are convinced you are right :).
He is the Napolean Bone-apart of the insane left, except that I think he has himself all talked into his many masquerades. I also believe the doc forgot to give him his meds this week. Or maybe he is being weaned...and having a particularly hard time.
At any rate, even the revolting reform sect knows if your mama ain't Hebrew, you ain't either. And your daddy could be a Martian for all that matters...although both being Hebrew is a good thing.
ARe you still a senile half Jew or did you change your story?
"I'm not sure that Kach and Kahane Chai have actually harmed anyone. For all their tough talk, I am not aware of a single act of terrorism carried out by these groups. Still, the Israeli government saw fit to ban them not only from the Knesset, but from the land of Israel, retroactive to memebership in these groups. Meanwhile, Arab parties with expressed sympathies to the PLO, PA, and Hamas are allowed to continue to serve in the government of the "Jewish" state. Go figure."
You are correct. Rabbi Kahane and the Kach party worked for a peaceful future for all peoples. They spoke in clear terms, but harmed no one. That was not their intention. Outlawing them was a travesty of justice. Kahane understood that Jews need to keep their country secure for the longterm and said so. That scared some. That he was a proud, unashamed Jew embarrassed some Jews who lack an understanding of the lessons and implications for today of Jewish history and world history.
... But since you asked, my mother was RC, my father was Jewish. They were married in the RC Church with a Papal Dispensation in which my father agreed to allow the children to be raised Catholic. In point of fact we attended both Catholic and Jewish services and when we reached majority we were allowed to choose. Our oldest brother chose agnostic and married a Methodist. Our next oldest brother chose RC and married RC. Both sisters became Episcopals and married same (don't know how that came about other than my sisters liked the clothes better). Our other brother remained Jewish and married Jewish. I remained Jewish at my grandfather's wish and married Catholic. Our oldest son married Greek Orthodox and our daughter married Unitarian. I don't believe everyone in the extended family has chosen what faith they wish to observe. I am satisfied that they are Americans first and that the ones who are not do not hate Americans...just maybe in-laws like everyone else in the world.
So he has a Jewish father, who was married to a Catholic woman - by special dispensation from the Pope. The Pope also seems to have the authority to declare him Jewish (in real life, the Pope has declared scum like him anathema). Notice also how deftly he slips in one of the staples of raw antisemitism - the question of dual loyalty. Confused? Just wait until the next episode of "Harrowup's life" :).
And let's have a look at another aspect of his racist core - I'll just repeat an earlier post to him:
Let's have a look at your true colours, loonytoon - one day the pious A.N.S.W.E.R/ISM activist who just want the poor "palestinians" to have their "rights", the other a foaming racist who'd have liked to see India nuked (no doubt because of their attitude towards sc*mbags like your good self):http://p217.ezboard.com/fmontysfrm10.showMessage?topicID=1.topic
harrowup Member Posts: 38 (2/16/04 9:09 pm)
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I have always championed the use of nuclear weapons as an apprpriate response to wise-guys simply because some day they're going to get it together and use it on us. The next time some damn zealot screams Allah Akbar I say shove a p32 up his ass and send him home to papa...along with a good chunk of his neighborhood.
Ha! The best part of being a Truman Democrat at my age is being able to point to HST and say...well done, sir...as in well done is the only way the Japs learned a lesson...we should have nuked that damned Nehru too.
So as long as his Arabs aren't engaged in wiping out Jews, he's all for exterminating the Allah-worshippers. And of course, there's the little gem about wanting the Indians nuked too. And the "Japs". This garbage is floating around "the Premier conservative site"???
IOW he's a dazed and confused half Jew. A nutter.
Flake-o-delic, baby!
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=harrowup&num=100&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&c2coff=1&tab=ng&sa=N
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Details: An Arab man was stabbed to death not far from his home in Jerusalem. Jerusalem police commander Yair Yitzhaki said that the circumstances suggest that the murderer was a Jewish extremist. The victim, Osama Musa Natche, 41, a Jerusalem municipality worker and a father of six children was attacked only a few steps from his home in Abu Tor, a mixed Arab-Jewish neighborhood.
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ROTFL. "Docnathan", huh? Excellent find. Since I am on reasonably good speaking terms with some real ADL folks, I may check if he's actually connected as he claims. Or maybe making a fraudulent, antisemitic, claim.
Per Harrowup everyone on my (and Allouettes) ping list or who supports Israel on this forum is a radical Zionist, supporters of or infiltrators from the Kach and Kahane Chai terrorist groups, an ominously serious charge.
Second part, I've only seen him post it once here, below, he's more into disruption. It's a pretty radical view though, given the fact that it would apparently involve massive retaliation (PERHAPS, the left wing trap) against the palestinians, though only after they were given tactical advantage and the opportunity to murder the necessary number of Jews to "screw up". They're no where near that yet.
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US President Bush Blocks Embassy Move to Jerusalem
Posted by harrowup to Salem
On News/Activism 06/20/2004 11:37:42 PM CDT #99 of 128
Your request will be taken under consideration should I ever read your opinions with which I am not very familiar. If I notice you use your ping list to attack legitimate differences of opinion with the JDL crowd here than I'll try to remember your grandstanding with due respect and diligence. That said, it should be clear to anyone here that the frothing at the mouth attacks on this thread are typical of those whose moral compass is too close to the flux capacitor.
There used to be a gentlemen's agreement and perhaps an unwritten rule that off site spats are best left off-site. However, I assume this spat has more to do with a thread which was pulled because of the obscene nature of the attacks a week ago.
Once again, given the tenor of the noise here by the Kahane bunch it should be clear who pushed the discussion into the benevolent bin of bombast.
I do not expect my more liberal views on the State of Israel to be welcomed here, but I will always insist that those who have no opinion are allowed to hear that the majority of Israeli citizens do not support the radical Zionist agenda.
I will repeat what my opinion has been and will always be that Israel withdraw from the settlements, return the captured territories to the United Nations and let them screw it up again, and then allow the Palestinian State to have space in Jerusalem for its Capitol on a short leash. They misbehave they get booted into the gutter.
I am positive the Palestinians will screw up but perhaps then we can openly allow the Israelis to do what they want to do. What ever that is may not be perfect and it may not be exactly what I would like but it will be what the citizens of Israel want and that is the way it should be.
Finally, if anyone wants to have a civil discussion they can do so, but I have no intention of responding to the irresponsible and juvenile attacks witnessed here for the simple reason that I promised Mr. Robinson that I would not use Free Republic to take names and kick butt. Anyone wants to take a whack at me at Liberty Post may do so, but I will remind them that LP currently has a keener appreciation of the use of the synomym for Clymers.
5 posted on 07/09/2004 7:11:36 AM CDT by Alberta's Child
To: Alberta's Child
Since you have already noticed the deceptive nature of the article and you have already considered the source, just let me add my standard lament about thugs.
Some anti-Zionist are anti-Semitic and all anti-Semites are anti-Zionist just as some Zionists are racists. Groups such as the JDL and segments of the once proud ADL are run by thugs who are routinely condemed by a vast majority of the Jewish faith, especially in Israel since they are the ones who have to suffer the consequences from the Kahane Kooks.
7 posted on 07/09/2004 8:04:11 AM CDT by harrowup
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A fine example of the thuggery of the hard left harrowup. You don’t like the article, so you attack the forum of Catholic-Jewish intellectuals. Fine if you’re right, but you don’t wait to see who the intellectuals are, turns out it’s the Catholic-Jewish Liaison Committee, established to further Catholic-Jewish relations in the wake of Vatican II. I realize you don’t like either left wing or right wing Jews, don’t know how you feel about Catholics, but whether you like them or not, that’s a legitimate group.
Left wing thuggery, pure and simple.
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To: Sjackson
If you want to meet a thug, say hi to harrowup
You are way out of line with that stupid remark which bears no resemblance to the truth.
Radical Zionist of the Kahane breed are an abomination and some of the local poobahs of the ADL have demonstrated disgusting racism.
There are good animals and bad animals. There are good humans and bad humans. There are good Christians and bad Christians. There are good Catholics and bad Catholics. There are good Jews and there are bad Jews. There are good Muslims and there are bad Muslims.
That' s life.
If you and your nasty little crowd want to yell about anti-Semitism and you are incapable of admitting that some Jews are thugs then you are a racist bigot. No big problem understanding that.
Asserting that I am a thug because I don't accept your politics is bigotry. Ignorant and and an insult to all peaceful Jews and Israel.
40 posted on 07/09/2004 2:08:54 PM CDT by harrowup (
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You are a thug, a two bit one in fact.
On the couple threads you’ve recently emerged on, you’ve posted absolutely nothing of substance. Your posts have been nothing but personal attacks.
On FR and other forums, you’ve accused me of “representing” the JDL on FR, you’re a liar, a knuckledragging leftist thug.
On FR and other forums, you’ve accused me of “representing” the ADL on FR, you’re a liar, a knuckledragging leftist thug, though on this one you’re at least in the company of some prominent Jewhaters on other forums.
On FR and other forums, you’ve accused me of calling you an anti-Semite, which I haven’t , you’re a liar, a knuckledragging leftist thug.
On FR and other forums, you’ve accused me of calling you a “self hating Jew”, you’re a liar, a knuckledragging leftist thug. I neither know nor care if you’re a Jew or a Kangaroo
On FR and other forums, you’ve accused the people on my ping list of being supportive of terrorist groups, and invoked the image of the KKK, you’re a liar, a knuckledragging leftist thug.
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To: Alouette
You made the charge, not me. I do not belong to any gang. If you have irrefutable proof, provide it. Prove it. Prove what you said about me with documentation and facts. Prove it. Prove it.
You came to this thread because you were gang pinged by Sammy and every damn one of you has chosen to keep up the same attack without the barest element of shame for your disgusting behavior.
Proof: You attacked me by invitation. That makes you a member of a gang. The same gang that has accused me of being a self-hating Jew because I am opposed to radical Zionism, as is a vast majority of the Israeli population. Your GANG are comprised of bigots and racists.
Your track record of gang attacks suggests you can't claim ignorance of that fact.
You disgust me and make it very easy for the other bigots and racists like Pat Buchanan take shots at Israel. You and your gang do a great disservice to Israel and the respect due that country and its people.
If you can convince me privately that I should think differently then give me a private note. If you are uncivil in that note I will print it.
66 posted on 07/09/2004 6:15:43 PM CDT by harrowup
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Allouette has a point, you’ve made lot’s of charges, prove them. You can’t, you’re a knuckledragging leftist thug.
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You appear to be the one doing the whining (to the Admin Moderator, no less) and squalling...as in your drama queen act that you are being hounded and threatened.
You were told to provide me with the evidence of same by private message and you declined. Instead you continue to make a public scene forgetting that you are on record as attacking me.
You are pretending to act as if you've never had any previous conversations with me and that is of course another falsehood. You claim you have an excuse for your behavior because a ping list isn't a gang. Well, you're right, most aren't but Sammy and you and the others jump anyone who crosses you...and you and your gang use a ping list to attack those who disagree with you. You gang up. FR is littered with examples of your abusive behavior every time you or your gangbangers get their pony tails atwist.
If you don't have the courage to admit it when you've acted abusively then at least stop pretending you are a victim here. You are not. You are a disagreeable thug whose behavior I will highlight every time I have to make excuses for Jews everywhere if they have to tolerate you professional bitching and moaning drama queens.
Consider my offer of a private communication over. The last time one of your gang sent me a private message it was intensely unacceptable and you apear to interested only in that route.
Should you choose to enter any future discussions solely to take a shot at me then you can be assurd that I will whack back, without whining to the moderators. Presumably they are aware of your gang's reputation.
Pig
71 posted on 07/09/2004 9:03:54 PM CDT by harrowup (Just naturally perfect and humble of course)
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You want Alouette to have a private conversation with you, to discuss your public lies?
Are you nuts? Suck it up, “whack back”, post your proof. As I’ve noted before, if you’re right, FR has an OBLIGATION to ban me and many others.
You can’t though, you’re a lying knuckledragging leftist thug.
As to the gangbanger charge, well you know the answer.
If the mods don’t want ping lists, I’m sure they’ll let us know. If they don’t want ping lists run by Jews, they’ll establish that policy as well. I wouldn’t hold my breath.
BTW, it you’re not too busy spamming the internet, I’ve heard Michael Moore needs a scriptwriter, you’d be perfect for the job.
Yikes, that's a better "vote getting" pedigree than John Kerry.
Yep. Nathan resembles John Kerry, in so many unwholesome ways :)).
Anyone wants to take a whack at me at Liberty Post may do so, but I will remind them that LP currently has a keener appreciation of the use of the synomym for Clymers.
Libertypost, profanity allowed. Maybe they could use it in an ad.
Ah yes, Libertypost. That's the site run by some tax scam/militia whackjob cabal, isn't it? What a fitting hangout for Nathan the Jewbaiter.
Bravo! I hope this does represent "official" church thinking.
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