Posted on 07/09/2004 4:44:38 AM PDT by abu afak
Catholic Church equates anti-Zionism with anti-Semitism
Haaretz Correspondent
The Catholic Church condemned anti-Zionism as a cover for anti-Semitism by means of a joint statement issued by a forum of Catholic-Jewish intellectuals this week.
The announcement was made at a gathering of religious, academic and other leading Jewish and Catholic figures in Buenos Aires.
"We oppose anti-Semitism in any way and form, including anti-Zionism that has become of late a manifestation of anti-Semitism," the statement said.
This is the first time that anti-Zionism and anti-Semitism have been equated by the Catholic Church.
The statement also includes a stern condemnation of terrorism, particularly terror in the name of faith.
"Terror is a sin against man and against God. Fundamentalist terrorism in the name of God has no justification and cannot be justified."
Ilan Steinberg, director of the World Jewish Congress, one of the forum's organizers, described the joint statement as "an historic moment."
"For the first time, the Catholic Church recognizes in anti-Zionism an attack not only against Jews, but against the whole Jewish people."
Senior Jewish figures called the announcement a significant, public statement of support by the Catholic Church in the face of anti-Zionism.
"In the past, Zionism was equated with racism, and this statement turns anti-Zionism statements to a form of racism," a Jewish leader said in New York.
The statement joins a prior European Union announcement and UN declaration of war against anti-Semitism as part of a global front fighting the scourge.
No. You are a racist bigot.
Kahane was on the right, ADL is liberal. Meir Kahane was on the right. His followers are right wing fanatics who murdered a true Israeli patriot. Remember? The ADL is of course liberal. Abe Foxman is a thug, a jerk and an insult.
Now will you go to LP and whine about the pro-Israel meanies at FR? :) Most of my time at LP is spent taking whacks at the neo-nazis and other anti-Semites who cluster there from time to time.
They are no more obnoxious than you and your arrogant crowd of bigots.
My support of Israel needs no confirmation from the likes of you.
Exactly what are the "likes of me"? You've called me a member of JDL--which I am not. You've smeared me on other forums which are frequented by skinheads, jihadis, and the likes of other creatures who would prefer to put an end to my existence.
It would not take too much trouble for anyone on any of these forums where you have libeled me, who has even a little bit of computer savvy to track down my real name and address.
I have received hate mail and death threats from neo-nazi skinheads, ultra-secularist Jews, pro-Palestinians, self-described "peace activists" and others who may have been "alerted" to my existence by your posts.
Well, now, thanks to you smearing me at hate sites all over the web, I will have to go out and buy myself a gun or a Rottweiler. Or both.
Wrong. This merely follows the MO of Karol Wojtyla. He didn't say it, so he can deny it down the road, should substantial objection be raised.
Bear in mind Karol Wojtyla has been a staunch supporter of child bomber Yashole Arafat, while condemning anything and everything America and Israel have done.
Karol Wojtyla's silence on the slaughter of Christians and the decimation of Christian Churches by muslims in Kasovo has been deafening - and an embarrassment to the Roman Catholic Church.
Defender of the faith he is not. Say China. What a guy. A celebrity wannabe? Definitely!!!
Very dramatic and totally false but if it makes you feel important, keep trying for the ring.
I will have to go out and buy myself a gun or a Rottweiler. Or both.
I wouldn't trust you with either. You are first a liar and second, a thug who travels in a pack of bigots who claim any criticism of you of your stance is of course anti-Semitic and if Jewish, a self-hating Jew.
Retract your charge and instruct the other members of your gang to do the same and we can all live in harmony.
You made this idiotic claim, now back it up with proof.
Retract your charge and instruct the other members of your gang
You made the charge, not me. I do not belong to any gang. If you have irrefutable proof, provide it. Prove it. Prove what you said about me with documentation and facts. Prove it. Prove it.
You came to this thread because you were gang pinged by Sammy and every damn one of you has chosen to keep up the same attack without the barest element of shame for your disgusting behavior.
Proof: You attacked me by invitation. That makes you a member of a gang. The same gang that has accused me of being a self-hating Jew because I am opposed to radical Zionism, as is a vast majority of the Israeli population. Your GANG are comprised of bigots and racists.
Your track record of gang attacks suggests you can't claim ignorance of that fact.
You disgust me and make it very easy for the other bigots and racists like Pat Buchanan take shots at Israel. You and your gang do a great disservice to Israel and the respect due that country and its people.
If you can convince me privately that I should think differently then give me a private note. If you are uncivil in that note I will print it.
I think that you have been a member of Free Republic long enough to know the difference between a GANG and a PING LIST. In fact you are not even on my ping list.
your disgusting behavior.
What is "disgusting" about my behavior? I don't slander or even mention you on other forums that I belong to. You have done so to me. That is truly disgusting.
The same gang that has accused me of being a self-hating Jew
Again, what gang is this? Well, up until this surprising admission I never even knew you were Jewish. That changes the color somewhat. However, since I have received death threats from leftist (self-described "peace activist") Jews, don't expect a personal message from me until I can be convinced that you and your gang excuse me, your "compatriots" would do no harm to me or my loved ones.
Proof is on you, and your whining and squalling is not "proof."
Shabbat shalom.
Finally, a bit of sense from Gotham.
You were told to provide me with the evidence of same by private message and you declined. Instead you continue to make a public scene forgetting that you are on record as attacking me.
You are pretending to act as if you've never had any previous conversations with me and that is of course another falsehood. You claim you have an excuse for your behavior because a ping list isn't a gang. Well, you're right, most aren't but Sammy and you and the others jump anyone who crosses you...and you and your gang use a ping list to attack those who disagree with you. You gang up. FR is littered with examples of your abusive behavior every time you or your gangbangers get their pony tails atwist.
If you don't have the courage to admit it when you've acted abusively then at least stop pretending you are a victim here. You are not. You are a disagreeable thug whose behavior I will highlight every time I have to make excuses for Jews everywhere if they have to tolerate you professional bitching and moaning drama queens.
Consider my offer of a private communication over. The last time one of your gang sent me a private message it was intensely unacceptable and you apear to interested only in that route.
Should you choose to enter any future discussions solely to take a shot at me then you can be assurd that I will whack back, without whining to the moderators. Presumably they are aware of your gang's reputation.
Pig.
""""""Are these statements made with the sole purpose of stirring up Internet exchanges of insults with some hurryup troll? 'Coz I don't see how they could be consequential in any other way..."""""""
No insults by me were made.
I'd like to know how harrowup stands and what the Heck he's talking about?
I want to know what he considers a "Radical Zionist", a 'regular' one, and what he sees as the solution to the Mideats problem (being he's Not? a "Zionist")
You are both Jews and you hate each other so much !?
Harrowup was never a Jew. Jewish inheritance is matrilineal, that is, your mother has to be a Jew.
If my memory isn't going byebye, Harrowup has been claiming his "Jewishness" somewhat like this:
"My father was a Jew and my mother was a Catholic. At < some age > my sibling and I decided that I should go on being a Jew, and the other should be a Catholic".
Correct me if I have a substantial error here, Harrowup. See, if you're not lying in your presentation (something of a first), that only makes you Catholic. You really should try reading up a bit, but then again, Stormfront and Vanguard can often be seen fretting about their inferior IQ-levels ;). Mebbe you need a sound-book?
The fact is that Harrowup is another antisemite using a claim of Jewishness in order to inject himself and rabid antizionism into any discussion of Jews and/or Israel. The fact is also that he is - in his own words - a communist and a racist who wanted the US to nuke India. All while mouthing the filthy slogans of ISM, MoveOn and PeaceNow.
This is an interesting thread and I hope it doesn't get pulled. However, I did save it to my HD. ;)
I am a Jew. He is not a Jew. He hates me (and Jews in general) so much that he is compelled to slander us on other forums of which I am not a member. I don't hate him, and I don't mention him on threads in which he does not participate. He is just a trivial nuisance who occasionally violates the rules of this forum. Like the one about personal insults and libel.
I don't hate any of you. I regret that you are racist bigots and would not enjoy your company.
As for stormfront and other such I don't believe I've ever visited their websites and I know I've never subscribed to their newsletters which preceded them. I do belong to the ACLU, ADL, NAACP and the Democratic Party.
For the record one more time. If you believe that the Kahane Zionists and the JDL are not hate groups and choose not to condem them that makes you racists and bigots. Similarly if you assert that no Jew and no Israeli can make a mistake that makes you a racist and a bigot. If you assert that you are incapable of error then you are ignorant.
If your only resource is to mischaracterize others at best and lie then that just makes you obnoxious. That's okay. I find most political pipsqueaks on forums to be obnoxious, especially in the liberal forums. That is why I prefer Free Republic. Most of the folks here are kind and thoughtful. Then there are the bullies and thugs like you all and Sammy's list who fraudulently assert that they alone speak for Jews and Israel.
I'll believe you have made some progress once you are able to admit that the murder of an Israeli PM is on the hands of the Kahane Zionists and their JDL pigs.
As to the issue at hand I'll wait for an official announcement from higher authorities for both faiths before I believe anyone will equate anti-Zionism with anti-Semitism. It is not going to happen, ever. So you and your crowd of pluguglies can keep baying at the moon but you aren't going to prevail regardless of your abusive behavior and patently offensive stereotypical Jew baiting hatred.
Well, you just supply me with a rabbinical judgement that having a Jewish father makes you a Jew. Otherwise, all you have is a Jewish surname and a psychosis. Or something worse.
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