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Science Icon Fires Broadside At Creationists
London Times vis The Statesman (India) ^ | 04 July 2004 | Times of London Editorial

Posted on 07/04/2004 5:19:27 PM PDT by PatrickHenry

Professor Ernst Mayr, the scientist renowned as the father of modern biology, will celebrate his 100th birthday tomorrow by leading a scathing attack on creationism.

The evolutionary biologist, who is already acclaimed as one of the most prolific researchers of all time, has no intention of retiring and is shortly to publish new research that dismantles the fashionable creationist doctrine of “intelligent design”.

Although he has reluctantly cut his workload since a serious bout of pneumonia 18 months ago, Prof. Mayr has remained an active scientist at Harvard University throughout his 90s. He has written five books since his 90th birthday and is researching five academic papers. One of these, scheduled to appear later this year, will examine how “intelligent design” — the latest way in which creationists have sought to present a divine origin of the world — was thoroughly refuted by Charles Darwin a century and a half ago.

His work is motivated in part by a sense of exasperation at the re-emergence of creationism in the USA, which he compares unfavourably with the widespread acceptance of evolution that he encountered while growing up in early 20th-century Germany.

The states of Florida, Mississippi, Missouri, Illinois, Kentucky and Oklahoma currently omit the word “evolution” from their curriculums. The Alabama state board of education has voted to include disclaimers in textbooks describing evolution as a theory. In Georgia, the word “evolution” was banned from the science curriculum after the state’s schools superintendent described it as a “controversial buzzword”.

Fierce protest, including criticism from Jimmy Carter, the former President, reversed this.

Prof. Mayr, who will celebrate his 100th birthday at his holiday home in New Hampshire with his two daughters, five grandchildren and 10 great-grandchildren, was born on 5 July 1905 in Kempten, Germany. He took a PhD in zoology at the University of Berlin, before travelling to New Guinea in 1928 to study its diverse bird life. On his return in 1930 he emigrated to the USA. His most famous work, Systematics and the Origin of Species, was published in 1942 and is regarded still as a canonical work of biology.

It effectively founded the modern discipline by combining Darwin’s theory of evolution by natural selection with Gregor Mendel’s genetics, showing how the two were compatible. Prof. Mayr redefined what scientists mean by a species, using interbreeding as a guide. If two varieties of duck or vole do not interbreed, they cannot be the same species.

Prof. Mayr has won all three of the awards sometimes termed the “triple crown” of biology — the Balzan Prize, the Crafoord Prize and the International Prize for Biology. Although he formally retired in 1975, he has been active as an Emeritus Professor ever since and has recently written extensively on the philosophy of biology.


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To: GarySpFc
If the scientific method is applied to a set of facts, then it is science. Theology is a science.

For theology, what set of facts are you talking about? And can you give an example of something happening in theology like the way that people who initially blew off plate tectonics being convinced of it later?

141 posted on 07/05/2004 2:43:36 PM PDT by jejones
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To: MacDorcha
1) its lasted longest.

Argumentum ad antiquitatem. The age of a belief has no bearing on its truth value.

2) its supported by obsevations made by scientists.

Examples of these observations?

3) it isnt a myth,

So you say. Why should I believe you and not someone else's claim?

it may have been Man's limited understanding when the Book was written, but it is NOT a myth. a myth is easy to disprove (Atlas holding the world up is a myth, we see no Atlas after going around the world)

The definition of "myth" does not include "easy to disprove".

the best term a reasoning scientist can conclude to use for Creationists (esp Judeo-Christians) is a "theory"

Theory? If it's a theory, then you should be able to explain what it states, what it predicts, how it can be tested (along with observations from these tests) and how it can be falsified. Please feel free to provide this information. No creationist has yet addressed this issue despite it being brought up numerous times.

the real term is "Faith," or even "Truth"

Faith, yes. Truth, no.

the reason being, things happen that cannont be explained by what is before us.

That's why we keep looking for answers rather than giving up and assuming that it just has to be of divine origin.

we also accept that with every answer comes more questions. we know (to a limited extent) HOW, but what about WHY, or WHERE, or even WHO/WHAT?

Okay. What has this to do with the discussion?

if science is so perfect at explaining away things, why is it not ok to kill another man in cold blood?

Huh? Science has nothing to do with ethics or morals. Science cannot tell you why murder, rape or theft is "wrong". Science is not proscriptive or prescriptive, science is merely descriptive.
142 posted on 07/05/2004 2:44:44 PM PDT by Dimensio (Join the Monthly Internet Flash Mob: http://tinyurl.com/3xj9m)
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To: Wycowboy
I just happen to like one-liners.

Yes. It's so easy to rattle them off rather than actually do any research or thinking.
143 posted on 07/05/2004 2:45:26 PM PDT by Dimensio (Join the Monthly Internet Flash Mob: http://tinyurl.com/3xj9m)
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To: dmcnash
I have a degree in biology and 5+ years graduate work and I have never heard of this guy?

Any idea how may kids with Computer Science degrees and a few years of graduate work (read: no real world experience) have never heard of EF Codd?

Get 10 years of real world experience before suggesting you are some sort of "expert in the field."

Smart children keep their ears and eyes open and their mouths shut.

144 posted on 07/05/2004 2:46:04 PM PDT by freedumb2003 (I want to die in my sleep like Gramps -- not yelling and screaming like those in his car)
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To: af_vet_1981

Agreed.


145 posted on 07/05/2004 2:59:01 PM PDT by stanz (Those who don't believe in evolution should go jump off the flat edge of the Earth.)
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To: GarySpFc

This thread has nothing to do with the flat earth issue.


146 posted on 07/05/2004 3:00:32 PM PDT by stanz (Those who don't believe in evolution should go jump off the flat edge of the Earth.)
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To: balrog666

(sigh) A long, needless post that answers nothing except to point out one's own bigotry against the tests of another point of view.


147 posted on 07/05/2004 3:52:19 PM PDT by Recovering_Democrat (I'm so glad to no longer be associated with the Party of Dependence on Government!)
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To: xm177e2
Science is not a democratic process, you do not get to "win" a place at the table. If all of your "research" is clumsy, illogical, and based on wishful thinking rather than evidence, you will not get a place at the table, no matter how many scientific illiterates you can get on your side.

You are implying a host of people much more educated and intelligent than you are "scientific illiterates". (see post 34)

I do not accept this reasoning. Such reasoning is specious.

148 posted on 07/05/2004 3:59:11 PM PDT by Recovering_Democrat (I'm so glad to no longer be associated with the Party of Dependence on Government!)
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To: Dimensio
You were not here at the beginning of all things. All you or anyone else can do, is look at the evidence and make assumptions. The way the evidence is interpreted, depends on one's worldview. You are making assumptions, try not to be a smart ass, you might embarrass yourself.
149 posted on 07/05/2004 4:13:34 PM PDT by Wycowboy
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To: Wycowboy
You were not here at the beginning of all things.

No, I wasn't. . All you or anyone else can do, is look at the evidence and make assumptions.

Actually, in many cases the assumptions can be put to test.

The way the evidence is interpreted, depends on one's worldview.

You'll have to come up with something more detailed than this.

You are making assumptions, try not to be a smart ass, you might embarrass yourself.

What assumptions am I making? And why would I be the one embarassing myself when it's you who spouts off nothing but uninformed one-liners?
150 posted on 07/05/2004 4:22:45 PM PDT by Dimensio (Join the Monthly Internet Flash Mob: http://tinyurl.com/3xj9m)
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To: Recovering_Democrat
(sigh) A long, needless post that answers nothing except to point out one's own bigotry against the tests of another point of view.

You must be one of those poor people who can't afford a sense of humor.

151 posted on 07/05/2004 4:25:21 PM PDT by balrog666 (A public service post.)
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To: Recovering_Democrat
You are implying a host of people much more educated and intelligent than you are "scientific illiterates". (see post 34)

Crackpots come in all sizes.

152 posted on 07/05/2004 4:27:32 PM PDT by balrog666 (A public service post.)
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To: stands2reason

I wrote -"However, you must know that secularists do."
"I don't."

Fair enough, but do you think abiogenesis took place? If not, then how could you be a "secularist" (AKA atheist)?
Back in the 70s I had a Zoology professer that placed great emphasis on the separation of "evolution" from "abiogensis." However, he taught them both as undeniably fact and together - while maintaining their separdness. Intellectual dishonesty.

Also, what is your opinion of a theistic evolutionist?


153 posted on 07/05/2004 4:37:30 PM PDT by Sola Veritas (Trying to speak truth - not always with the best grammar or spelling)
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To: balrog666

I wonder whether any of those people who are alleged to be "much more educated and intelligent than you are" have ever produced even one scientific achievement which is based on their "creation science." I suspect not. Genuine biologists have fathered the whole biotech industry, with products in medicine, agriculture, etc. Where are the products that have come from "creation science"? It's a strange "science" indeed that does nothing, explains nothing, conducts no research, predicts nothing, yet demands a place at the table.


154 posted on 07/05/2004 4:41:28 PM PDT by PatrickHenry (Hic amor, haec patria est.)
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To: Sola Veritas
However, he taught them both as undeniably fact and together - while maintaining their separdness. Intellectual dishonesty.

Is it also 'dishonesty' to teach electromagnetism theory and stellar formation as fact while maintaining their seperatness?
155 posted on 07/05/2004 4:43:05 PM PDT by Dimensio (Join the Monthly Internet Flash Mob: http://tinyurl.com/3xj9m)
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To: edsheppa

"I am definitely a secularist but do not couple evolutionary theory with abiogenesis. That makes you wrong.

Furthermore, most do not - just poll the "secularists" posting to this thread and you will see. That makes you wronger."

What we have here a failure to communicate - my error. What I should have said is an "atheistic evolutionist" rather than "secularist." Apparently, there is a semantic difference that I did not realize.

As "I" see things, there are three basic groups of thought regarding evolution and abiogenesis:

(1) Atheistic Evolutionist - no God, no devine intervention, it just happened - an inate property of matter. Many different viewpoints on mechanisms, but all hold to no creator.

(2) Theistic Evoluntionist - Adds a "designer" in some way to the equation. Many different shades of these folks.

(3) Creationists. God did it all. Most, not all, hold to a literal belief in the Bible and the Genesis account - with differing "spins" of course.

Apparantly, a "secularist" could be in both group (1) and (2). So, I used the wrong term.


156 posted on 07/05/2004 4:52:52 PM PDT by Sola Veritas (Trying to speak truth - not always with the best grammar or spelling)
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To: Dimensio

"Is it also 'dishonesty' to teach electromagnetism theory and stellar formation as fact while maintaining their seperatness?"

You are resorting to hyperbole. That is fallacious reasoning.


157 posted on 07/05/2004 4:55:59 PM PDT by Sola Veritas (Trying to speak truth - not always with the best grammar or spelling)
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To: Sola Veritas
No, I'm simply pointing out that there is nothing wrong with regarding two ideas as fact without the ideas necessarily being tied together. In the case of the theory of evolution, it does not include the topic of abiogenesis.
158 posted on 07/05/2004 5:12:54 PM PDT by Dimensio (Join the Monthly Internet Flash Mob: http://tinyurl.com/3xj9m)
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To: Just mythoughts
The goal is to prove evolution, and every new discovery is use to further that goal, many alterations have been made since Darwin to give evolution credibility.

Really? Then this recent article (for one example) should not have been published: Epigenetics: Genome, Meet Your Environment. It reviews how mainstream scientists are realizing that there are some the ways in which characteristics can be passed on in a non-hereditary manner. It may not exactly be the resurrection of Lamarckism as a general explanation for evolution, but in some isolated cases it may turn out to be exactly that: Lamarckism!

If mainstream science is a conspiracy to validate Darwin's theory by any self-serving means necessary, then those scientists that the article mentions should have gotten themselves disappeared by now.

Just look how this article is written and directed, nothing in it to give themselves credibility, rather a mocking of "Creationist" going to get theirs. That is the foundation of evolution's "scientific methods".
Oh, c'mon, It's a retrospective article on the guy's 100th birthday! And now he's going to write yet another book, this time to enter the fray against the fabian creationists. If an old, respected astronomer were to write a book against astrology, would you think he was making a mockery of the scientific method too? If an old, respected historian were to write a book against holocaust revisionism or afrocentrist history, would you think they were making a mockery of the scientific method?
159 posted on 07/05/2004 5:19:42 PM PDT by jennyp (http://crevo.bestmessageboard.com)
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To: stands2reason
I don't think that word means what you think it means.

You don't say.

160 posted on 07/05/2004 5:58:43 PM PDT by af_vet_1981
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