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Savage: Impeach Bush over immigration plan
WND ^ | 1-12-04 | N/A

Posted on 01/13/2004 5:54:13 AM PST by JustPiper

Conservative talk-radio star, author says amnesty is betrayal of country

In the latest indication President Bush is having problems with his conservative core political constituency, Michael Savage, one of talk radio's biggest stars, tonight called for the impeachment of President Bush over his plans to legalize millions of illegal aliens.

"This is the worst betrayal of our country in my lifetime," said Savage, whose program is heard on more than 350 stations with an audience reaching some 6 million. His book, "The Savage Nation," last year was No. 1 on the New York Times best-seller's list for five weeks. His follow-up, "The Enemy Within," out just one week, is already No. 8 on the list. Both were published by WND Books.

President Bush

Tonight Savage called Bush a liberal and described him as part of the "enemy within" that is destroying the nation.

Savage created the phrase "compassionate conservative" in 1994, a term picked up by Bush during his presidential campaign – a campaign supported by Savage.

"This is much more serious than dropping your pants for an intern," said Savage. "This is a policy that represents a danger to national security."

Savage is hardly alone in his strong feelings of opposition to Bush's proposal to offer legal status to illegal immigrants. A new ABC News poll finds 52 percent of the nation opposes an amnesty program for illegal immigrants from Mexico, while 57 percent oppose one for illegal immigrants from other countries. Both results are roughly the same as when the administration floated the idea two-and-a-half years ago.

But today in Monterrey, Mexico, Bush reaffirmed his support of the proposal, despite its unpopularity at home. He said it could help illegal immigrants "leave the shadows and have an identity."

At a joint press conference with Mexican President Vicente Fox, Bush warned that his government will not allow the existence in the United States of an underclass of illegal immigrants, but claimed again his proposal is not an amnesty. Amnesty, he said, would only promote the violation of the law and perpetuate illegal immigration.

Bush said his immigration proposal would benefit both the United States and Mexico as it recognizes the contribution of thousands of honest Mexicans who work in the United States.

For his part, Fox embraced Bush's proposal.

"What else can we wish?" Fox said at the news conference with the president.

In the U.S., the latest poll on the controversy shows at least twice as many Americans "strongly" oppose the proposal as strongly support it.

Opposition peaks in Bush's own party: Fifty-eight percent of Republicans oppose his immigration proposal for Mexicans, compared with 50 percent of Democrats. For illegal immigrants other than Mexicans, 63 percent of Republicans are opposed.

Bush reportedly will disclose more details of the plan in his State of the Union address Jan. 20.

Meanwhile, the National Border Patrol Council, which represents all 9,000 of the Border Patrol's non-supervisory agents, has told its members to challenge President Bush´s proposed guest-worker program, calling it a "slap in the face to anyone who has ever tried to enforce the immigration laws of the United States," the Washington Times reported today.

The agents were told in a letter from Vice President John Frecker that the proposal offered last week during a White House press conference "implies that the country really wasn't serious about" immigration enforcement in the first place.

"Hey, you know all those illegal aliens you risked 'life and limb' to apprehend? FAH-GED-ABOWD-IT," said Frecker, a veteran Border Patrol agent. "President Bush has solved the problem. Don't be confused and call this an 'amnesty,' even though those who are here illegally will suddenly become legal and will be allowed to stay here. The president assures us that it's not an amnesty," he said.

Last week Bush proposed the sweeping immigration changes that would allow the 8 million to 12 million illegal aliens thought to be in the United States to remain in the country if they have a job and apply for a guest-worker card. The immigrants could stay for renewable three-year periods, after which they could apply for permanent legal residence.

Savage cited a new report published in the City Journal by the Manhattan Institute suggesting there is a major crime wave in the U.S. caused by illegal immigration.

"Some of the most violent criminals at large today are illegal aliens," the report charges. "Yet in cities where the crime these aliens commit is highest, the police cannot use the most obvious tool to apprehend them: their immigration status. In Los Angeles, for example, dozens of members of a ruthless Salvadoran prison gang have sneaked back into town after having been deported for such crimes as murder, assault with a deadly weapon, and drug trafficking. Police officers know who they are and know that their mere presence in the country is a felony. Yet should a cop arrest an illegal gang-banger for felonious reentry, it is he who will be treated as a criminal, for violating the LAPD’s rule against enforcing immigration law."

The situation is similar, the report says in New York, Chicago, San Diego, Austin and Houston. These "sanctuary policies" generally prohibit city employees, including the cops, from reporting immigration violations to federal authorities, says the report.

"These people are destroying America," said Savage. "That's all I have to say on the subject. But you can talk about it. Talk about it while you can – while America is still a free country, because it's not going to last."


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To: JustPiper
Congress will stop it, wonder if Bush will veto?

Uh JP, how can Bush veto anything not passed by Congress.

JMO, calm down and try to get some help for your hysteria. The world is not coming to an end.

721 posted on 01/13/2004 2:45:08 PM PST by Dane
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To: Poohbah
See post 710. Declaration is law by the authority of SCOTUS.
722 posted on 01/13/2004 2:45:49 PM PST by exmarine ( sic semper tyrannis)
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To: Zipporah
it IS absolutely the end of our nation.

Zippy, JMO, but maybe you should take the advice I gave to JP in reply #721.

723 posted on 01/13/2004 2:47:16 PM PST by Dane
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To: Zipporah
But I have lost all respect for Bush.

I suspect you never had any in the first place.

724 posted on 01/13/2004 2:48:40 PM PST by Dane
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To: jim35
Just like I thought, you are avoiding the question, and changing the subject. I will reiterate: If you ignore the supreme court, when it interprets the constitution, because they allow abortion, you have "trashed" them. You have put them in the trash. Thrown them away. Disposed of them. Remember your own posts? Then, if you withhold your vote for GW, you throw the election to the democRATs. So; what conclusion does this lead to? I leads to a democRAT president, with a supreme court that has been disposed of. Get it? Now, show me where I'm wrong.

The supreme court allowed abortion -that makes them ARBITRARY RULERS as much as Dred Scott made Taney's court ARBITRARY RULERS. They said that an unborn child is not a person. They said that the little creature with the flailing legs and clasping hands - that had the scissors inserted into its skull - is not a person! Abortion is murder. Period. What does that make the Supreme Court? You tell me. You make another excuse!

725 posted on 01/13/2004 2:49:36 PM PST by exmarine ( sic semper tyrannis)
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To: Axiom Nine
"At least this way we can monitor (at least to the extent of the INS's sub-par abilities) and TAX them".. I don't want to burst your bubble.. but how are we to monitor them? They are supposed to have a 3-year plan for working in the US.. now how will they end this? There is no plan for that.. and how would they, considering they won't enforce the laws NOW on the books.

Also, consider that MOST Mexicans believe that the SW should be taken back ..everything for "La Raza"..why would we INVITE revolutionaries into our country? "Experts say it is only a matter of time before Mexico declares jurisdiction over the American Southwest"..

As it is now, there are 5 cities in the US that have close to 50% immigrant population.. with family reunification, that number could soar.

726 posted on 01/13/2004 2:50:14 PM PST by Zipporah (Write inTancredo in 2004)
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To: exmarine; m1-lightning; Modernman
Thank you - I did not think about court cases, but these are definitely LAW.

OK, so you approve of court decisions that cite material other than the Constitution of the United States and the statute in question? Do you like judicial activism?

727 posted on 01/13/2004 2:51:31 PM PST by Poohbah ("Beware the fury of a patient man" -- John Dryden)
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To: Dane
Daney.. first of all, I don't need to calm down.. you need to read the writing on the wall.. and 2ndly.. much to your amazement I'm sure, I voted for Bush.. and supported him..til he has revealed that he is anything but conservative.
728 posted on 01/13/2004 2:54:28 PM PST by Zipporah (Write inTancredo in 2004)
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To: Poohbah
I believe the Constitution is embued with the principles of the Declaration of Indpendence, and I can make a case for it. The founding fathers certainly thought so - they only wrote it! Both documents provide for rights, and both are undergirded by judeo-Christian principles. I Know you hate that don't you- you don't want God in anything do you? Too bad - He's there.
729 posted on 01/13/2004 2:54:38 PM PST by exmarine ( sic semper tyrannis)
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To: exmarine; m1-lightning; Modernman
See post 710. Declaration is law by the authority of SCOTUS.

So's abortion and sodomy.

What was that complaining about activist judges?

730 posted on 01/13/2004 2:54:43 PM PST by Poohbah ("Beware the fury of a patient man" -- John Dryden)
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To: exmarine; Poohbah
In the search blank, just type in "Declaration of Independence" chief and then check out the 4457 hits!

LOL, 1 hit goes to the "Declaration of Independence", which IS NOT part of the US code and the other hits go to the words "Declaration" or "Independence".

731 posted on 01/13/2004 2:55:55 PM PST by Marine Inspector (TANCREDO 2004)
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To: jim35
I suppose you know by now that I have zero respect for the darwinian gods in black robes on the Supreme Court. I respect their office, however, which is more than I can say for a justice who doesn't follow the Constitution when making a ruling.
732 posted on 01/13/2004 2:58:28 PM PST by exmarine ( sic semper tyrannis)
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To: Poohbah
So's abortion and sodomy.

The difference is that the citations about the declaration are consistent with the founder's intent. Abortion isn't and neither is sodomy. Abortion is clearly murder and denies that baby its due process. What crime did it commit before its execution? Who is some moron of a man to say when personhood begins? What is his authority for such an insane ruling? Dr. Mengele perhaps? Any rational person can see that "it's a baby stupid"

733 posted on 01/13/2004 3:01:20 PM PST by exmarine ( sic semper tyrannis)
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To: Zipporah
Daney.. first of all, I don't need to calm down.. you need to read the writing on the wall.. and 2ndly.. much to your amazement I'm sure, I voted for Bush.. and supported him..til he has revealed that he is anything but conservative

Sorry I don't read hyperbolic writing wriiten in crayon on the wall.

You are parroting what was said 100 years ago. Were still here, stronger than ever.

734 posted on 01/13/2004 3:01:44 PM PST by Dane
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To: jetson
With no chance of assimilation. People here are touting its temporary, only 3 years, they are not realizing- It is RENEWABLE

More folks need to familiarize themselves with FAIR!

Get Real People

735 posted on 01/13/2004 3:03:24 PM PST by JustPiper (Register Independent and Write-In Tancredo for March !!!!)
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To: Marine Inspector
Doesn't matter...Declaration embued the moral principles by which we gained our nationhood, and are also imbued within the U.S. Constitution. The Declaration makes no statement of positive Law, but lays out the moral case for independence from tyranny, and recognized that rights come from God not from arbitrary rulers like King George, or for that matter, Stalin, Hitler, Castro, or the Supreme Court, or Bush. They are INALIENABLE. You can't change what the founders clearly believed and stated. You can only change the form of government that they instituted, or pervert it, which is what has happened.
736 posted on 01/13/2004 3:05:24 PM PST by exmarine ( sic semper tyrannis)
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To: exmarine; Modernman; m1-lightning
I believe the Constitution is embued with the principles of the Declaration of Indpendence, and I can make a case for it.

Let me know if you actually start doing so. You still have not established your claim that the Declaration of Independence is incorporated as "organic law" into the United States Code.

The founding fathers certainly thought so - they only wrote it!

It doesn't change the fact that you haven't proved your initial assertion.

Both documents provide for rights, and both are undergirded by judeo-Christian principles.

You still haven't proved your initial assertion. Please show the relevant Title and Section of the United States Code that proves your assertion.

I Know you hate that don't you- you don't want God in anything do you?

And now you've graduated to claiming that you can read minds. Unfortunately, you're about as good at mind-reading as you are at citing the United States Code. That entire statement is false.

737 posted on 01/13/2004 3:06:26 PM PST by Poohbah ("Beware the fury of a patient man" -- John Dryden)
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To: Zipporah
Well, Clinton's sale of hi-tech weaponry to China, who also plans to destroy us, is the worst".. Actually, Bush's immigration proposal is worse

I agree with you that Bush's welcome of illegal aliens is wrong because he failed to defend us from foreign lawbreakers. Regardless of which is worse, they are both wrong.

738 posted on 01/13/2004 3:09:26 PM PST by The_Eaglet (Mike Peroutka for President)
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To: Dane
Get on the cluebus, you missed your stop.
739 posted on 01/13/2004 3:10:05 PM PST by Zipporah (Write inTancredo in 2004)
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To: jim35
The reason we don't have a president who's conservative enough to suit you, is because that kind of candidate is totally unelectable

If moving to the left is making Bush so much more electable, then why are the Bushbots complaining? You have nothing to worry about if us conservatives decide not to vote for him. He will be picking up so many new liberal votes that it won't matter.

So just relax, let us rant.

Don't worry yourself over the fact that these threads grow so long, and there are clearly a lot of angry conservatives about.

740 posted on 01/13/2004 3:10:22 PM PST by e_engineer
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