Posted on 01/13/2004 5:54:13 AM PST by JustPiper
It's not at all. It was a simple statement that most of the anti-immigrant crowd at FR are not Christian.
Such a projection is too premature.
The natives are restless, their jobs, homes, careers, educations, property, culture, and future come into play here.
A wrong decision in January can make a very big bite in November.
Continued enforcement avoidance of our immigration laws will not promote the kind of America I swore to protect when I enlisted in the US Navy.
You can call me a Bush hater because I will not vote for him again unless he corrects this situation BEFORE the next election. Well, you and I know he doesn't time, buts that's because he wasted too much alreadly. Not my fault, is it?
He can take his compassionate conservatism back to Texas. I want a President who will promote law enforcement by everyone on our soil.
"According to a RoperASW poll from last year, 83 percent of Americans support mandatory detention and forfeiture of property for illegal immigrants, followed by deportation."
I'm one of the 83%.
If the President Bush or Tom Ridge would announce that in six months they will be paying a $50 per head bounty for each illegal alien on American soil there would be a mad rush for the borders.
A policeman in a car costs the average city about $200 an hour. Helicopters cost at least $2000 an hour with the ground crews. What is the full cost of a teacher per hour? $140.00 or there about.
If we could get illegal aliens to turn each other in, just the ones trying to slip through the net, (I know thousands would attempt it) we would save billions in law enforcement, welfare programs, unemployment, medical care, job training and schools the first year.
Do all this under Executive Order and tell the Courts to back off. This is national security!
Any employer who has employed an illegal alien more than five months from the announcement date will be fined $5000 per employee. One month later enforcement begins. This will give employers 5 months to shed the illegals and hire legally papered actual American citizens.
Then on the announced date, start in a state such as Oklahoma. Well centered, not overly populated and clean the state out. This would give Homeland, INS and Border Patrol time to install their co-agents in various court houses around the country to verify a persons paperwork, i.e.. birth certificates, hospital records, etc.
Go state to state from the epicenter sweeping out the criminals who have successfully avoided suspicion. They already had 5 months to get out, hanging around to test the system carries a SEVERE penalty. They won't be able to say they weren't warned.
Divide a state into quadrants depending on population per square mile., First arrest those whose names were turn in for the bounty. Then others suspected by local law agencies. When arrests slow down, open an adjoining quadrant.
Get caught after the selected dated and the result would be every foreign national who is not in America legally would forfeit all their belongings (houses, cars, bank accounts, etc.) and be deported within 24 hours. These forfeited belongings would then be given to local churches for distribution to the needy in that community. Another cost saver!
This enforcement would apply to illegals from every country in the world, not just Mexico.
Imagine the number of Chinese who would be taking the ship home with everything in the house, new cars, you name it would be on those ships. The thousands of Canadians who decided the USA was better than Canada would be again headed North.
How many schools could be closed? How many hospitals and state paid housing tracts? How many welfare offices? How many planned jail enlargements could be stopped for lack of need?
How many state and federal employees would find out that they have the time to actually give good service to their American customers?
Oh yes, it would be an economic shocker in the amount of taxes that could be reduced or used to actually improve something needed for American citizens, instead of illegal foreigners.
Want an approximate number of the population drop? Try 50 million+ with the majority over 30 years of age, having been illegal residents of America for over ten years.
Just imagine the frantic squealing from our politicians thinking of the lost votes and contributions. That would be a sideshow worth watching!
Scan the whole page for good reading!
Conservative Debate Handbook
Interesting point. Would it be so bad if, two generations from now, the only real difference in America is that the average American is naturally more tan and burritos are the national dish?
I have been hearing this from you and others at FR for almost a year now. And Bush's approval numbers are about as high as they've ever been since the 9/11 bounce wore off. But yours is also the crowd that predicted NAFTA would take every American job and that Japan was going to conquer America in the late 80s/early 90s. Are you ever right about anything?
President Kennedy called for a mission to send man to the moon during a joint session of Congress on May 25, 1961. Would you say he lost his mind? It's a bold idea but many support it. Maybe NASA appropriations should be a check box on the ballot like the campiagn finance monies.
Uh, how many of them came right back?
That was 50 years ago.
Ever hear of the word "Lawyer?"
What happens when these "Criminal Aliens" start shooting back?
How many soldiers(as opposed to Marines)/policemen/Vigilantes per Alien do you think it will take to "Deport" them?
Exactly which part of the Federal/State/Local Government will be expanded to provide the few hundred thousand or so folks needed to "round up" these criminals? Who's paying for it? And don't say we'll save the money from reduced Social Services, we tried that in CA.
What's to keep them from coming right back?
I have a friend in SF who along with his parents came from Hong Kong in the 60's. First thing they did was to change their first names to something they thought was Americanized. (William Wong, e.g.) The next thing they did was get a job, in fact several jobs. Right after that, they took the money they hid during the "passage" and bought a house. They now own several houses. They have since this time brought over several more relatives, and their sons and daughters are married and have children.
Now what's funny about this is that the Parents never bothered to learn English and the sons and daughters never bothered to worry about their "Legal" status, because they were too busy making and spending money and raising families.
My final question to you is: What are we going to do with these people? Do we deport just the Grand-Parents and Parents or the whole lot (as in a WHOLE lot)? Of course you'll seize their property, too, right? Or does the fact that they have been hardworking, semi-law-abiding, assult weapon owning (oh yes, let's see the hands of the CA Freepers that Registered their "Assult Weapons" as required by law), anti-abortion, pro-family, economy expanding, property owning, Conservative (but non-voting, or so you'd think) residents for the last few decades count for nothing?
All this brouhaha over my President making a suggestion to solve a "problem"...
That was my arguement to begin with.
Question ...
After hearing President Bush's speech, do you approve of his immigration reform plan?
Yes
543 votes - 21%
No
1,627 votes - 65%
Undecided
299 votes - 12%
In 2000, the American electorate was evenly divided. Now, as we enter another voting season, the Gallup Organization has released a study, based on 40,000 interviews, that shows that 45.5 percent of voters identify with or lean toward the Republican Party and 45.2 percent identify with or lean toward the Democratic Party.
So is that it? After Sept. 11, the Iraq war and the Madonna-Britney kiss, could it really be that we are back to where we started? Since 2000, tens of millions of people have moved, divorced and converted; can it really be that everything in America changes except politics?
Yes and no. Yes, the political divides today do look a lot like the ones that split the nation in 2000. But no. When you look beneath the headline data, you see at least one important change. The events of the past three years have brought to the foreground issues that divide Democrats, and pushed to the background issues that divide Republicans.
The first result is that the Republican Party is more unified than ever before. Ninety-one percent of Republicans approve of the job President Bush is doing. In 1992, Bush's father didn't have anything like that level of support, and even the Reagan administration was split between so-called pragmatists and ideologues.
Today's Republicans not only like Bush personally, they also overwhelmingly support his policies. According to a Pew Center study, 85 percent of Republicans support the war in Iraq, 82 percent believe that pre-emptive war is justified, and 72 percent believe the U.S. is justified in holding terror suspects without trial.
From this thread: The Bush Democrats
Thanks for the honesty. I've been burned as well.
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